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Re: This is all money driven

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BigAppleBucky wrote:Why would a fiscally responsible Wisconsin athletic director, allow Wisconsin to play in front of, to be generous, 40,000 at a MAC venue, when the FB team can earn 85,000 X $50 (or more average ticket price) at home?

Is that fair to the MAC?

Of course not.

My best suggestion for long term competitiveness in college football is a 16 or or even 24 team division 1A playoff system which would (obviously) include the non-BCS conferences.

Bowls and the BCS schools are afraid that would reduce their revenue and importance.

I think, if properly planned and run, such a system would actually increase revenues to BCS schools while also making non-BCS schools more competative in football. The bowls could stay involved.

I like the idea of greater, not less, competition in college football. I love the sport and want to see it prosper. I'd hate to see schools like EMU, CMU, Buffalo, etc. relegated to division 1AA. Instead, I'd rather see them going toe to toe with major conference schools.

Of course, I'll still be cheering for UW to beat BGSU come September.
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You make a valid point about the financial aspect. You're right, it's not fair, but an AD of one school is obligated to his school, not all NCAA member institutions. And, BGSU's admin has finances to worry about as well. I don't know this to be a fact, but I'm guessing it's true, BGSU would make more $ going to the pig house or Ohio Stadium than they would if they hosted a game with Mich or OSU. (This is exactly why SDSU asked for their home game with OSU to be switched to Ohio Stadium in 02 (maybe it was 03) - they knew the visitors cut of 100,000 seats assured is better than 40,000 at best.)

I disagree about your 16 to 24 game playoff. The theory isn't bad on it's face, and I too would like to see more competitiion in CFB, the problem one of the best things about CFB is it's the last sport where the Regular Season matter. (Villanova won the NCAA in 1985 (Hoops) there is NO WAY that was the best team in the nation that year, and just goes to show that a "hot" team can win it all and the reg. season is meaningless (so long as you qualify) I used to like the idea of a 8 team tourney, but as I reflected on it, there are not 8 teams in the nation that can stake an honest claim to the title each year, let alone 16 or more. Hell, it's rare there is as many as 4, but there often are 3. I'd accept a 4 team tourney, but that doesn't solve the issue we're discussing.

I recognize that hurts the midmajors, so we're left with the same problem. I think a large part of the solution is individual mid majors taking the risk and building a program they can't necessarily afford - that is to say, as an example - Ohio State took such a risk once, in 1922. It paid off. However, it doesn't always. Harvard, I think it was, once built a huge stadium (for the time) and they don't draw like OSU does today, obviously. Harvard's FB program isn't the cash cow Ohio State's is. In any case, this risk it idea is not a tasteful solution and could end up making some schools drop football altogether.

I think the answer may be more schollie limits. The last round of limits surely helped... If this was 1975, PJ Pope and Omar Jacobs would not be at BG, because some team, maybe OSU, maybe Michigan, maybe PSU etc.. would have snatched em up - unlimited roster space produced player hoarding in those days. Even today, with the 85 limit, schools like USC have more talent than they know what to do with. (USC isnt' the only one, of course, but I didn't want to use the same schools for every example) Could USC win the NC with 75? Probably. Those 10 kids not signed wouldthen be available for other schools, .. I guess it's a "trickle down" idea at it's core.
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how did we come up with the wisconsin deal anyways? how is that working out? obviously it wont be at a MAC venue but who is picking up that bill? if we can get wisky to come to cleveland wouldnt that cost us more than hosting them at the doyt? or is the MAC picking some of that up?
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OU gets good teams to come into their stadium, because no one is afraid of losing to them...

Toledo, NIU, BG, and Miami can all beat the ever living hell out of a So-So Big 10/Big East/ACC school.
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redskins4ever wrote:OU gets good teams to come into their stadium, because no one is afraid of losing to them...

Toledo, NIU, BG, and Miami can all beat the ever living hell out of a So-So Big 10/Big East/ACC school.
There's some truth in that, for sure. Hell, Toledo went to PSU and beat them THERE, why would PSU want to give any MORE advantage to one of the MAC powers by leaving home to play em? Less money, bigger risk of loss...
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Doens't this actually come down to the fact that we have a very unattractive small stadium where they can't make much mony? If we had 50,000 or 60,000 seat stadium would a Purdue or a MSU be any more inclined to come here if they knew they could actually sell quite a few tickets to their fans? Just a thought. :-\
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that why we have to go to cleveland to play wisky...i dont see a whole lot of students traveling to that game....it becomes a neutral site more than a home game...in my opinion
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I disagree. I think a lot of students will travel to cleveland. For most of them thats home or nearby, so they could easily drop off laundry before heading to the game. Plus cleveland has lots to do before and after the game so I think it would draw for a huge night of partying afterwards. I dunno maybe its just me, I know that I am excited to drive up for that game.
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PGY Tiercel wrote:I disagree. I think a lot of students will travel to cleveland. For most of them thats home or nearby, so they could easily drop off laundry before heading to the game. Plus cleveland has lots to do before and after the game so I think it would draw for a huge night of partying afterwards. I dunno maybe its just me, I know that I am excited to drive up for that game.
PGY is probably right. I remember seeing that something like 60% of BG students live within an hour or two of Cleveland (even when they're not in school!), so it would make an easy trip home for the weekend.
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dont forget...students wont get in free at that game....that will keep a lot of them home.
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tekekini wrote:dont forget...students wont get in free at that game....that will keep a lot of them home.
They won't? Won't the university give them some sort of voucher or something?
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i dont know....last i heard, students were going to have to pay....
makes sense unless the MAC is picking up the cost of using the stadium, vendors, security etc...
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tekekini wrote:i dont know....last i heard, students were going to have to pay....
makes sense unless the MAC is picking up the cost of using the stadium, vendors, security etc...
Hmmm ... I thought the ticket expense for home football games was "built into" the tution & fees. Seems odd to me that the students would have to pay. Certainly could hold down attendance a bit.
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tekekini wrote:dont forget...students wont get in free at that game....that will keep a lot of them home.
I was sort of assuming students wouldn't have to pay.

But you might be on to something.

This might explain why Bowling Green has been so careful not to call this a home game in Cleveland.
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I have been working under the assumption that students will have to pay to get into the game in Cleveland. I've never really heard either way, but I'm sure the stadium costs will be high. I expect our regular ticket prices to be in the $30 range and students to have to pay about half that. Still a good deal, IMO, but I think it will prevent a lot of people from going to the game.

While going to BG football games is not yet the cool thing to do in BG I do think it has kinda become so for students. Sitting in the student section you meet/talk to a lot of students who aren't really big into football. They're there in groups of friends and had a good day tailgating and then come to the game. These are the same students who leave early when the games are outta hand or weather sucks (or they run out of food). I have to believe a lot of these sorts of students will not be venturing to Cleveland and paying for tickets on top of that.

Of course, I'll be there. The place to be is the muni lot guys :)
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Big ten teams have invaded MAC stadia several times. Toledo hosted Minnisota, Indiana and Purdue, Miami hosted Iowa a couple of years ago, and Central M. will be hosting Indiana this year. I don't think anybody else has done anything with the big ten aside from the above mentioned schools.
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