Anthony Turner

BGSU2005 · Post by **BGSU2005** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:10 pm

Omar was dropped by Kansas State after someone else committed and he's now predicted by major media outlets to be the first quarteback selected in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Ahead of Leinart, not sure anyone is predicting that.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:20 pm

BGSU2005 wrote:
Omar was dropped by Kansas State after someone else committed and he's now predicted by major media outlets to be the first quarteback selected in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Ahead of Leinart, not sure anyone is predicting that.

The quotes I've read have usually said something along the lines of, "Omar Jacobs, who many scouts believe to be the better pro prospect..." Although most still have him ranked #2. A repeat performance of last season with a better winning record could go a long way toward making him the #1 QB picked. Lienart, at this point, is not the can't miss prospect that Vick was. He is a notch below, questions about his arm strength, always being surrounded by dominant talent. He's on the level of a Tim Couch as a prospect, not that he will follow that same path, but TC was a better than average prospect, but not a no-brainer type pick.

It's possible Omar leapfrogs the USC boy, but I'm still holding out hope they won't even be in the same draft.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:23 pm

The Sporting News, for one, is fairly large.

I can name others, but whether he's the first or second QB taken in the NFL Draft doesn't affect the central point of my argument that "offers" from the so-called big time schools are meaningless.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:27 pm

orangeandbrown,

Thanks. It 's definitely a great thing Turner is here and, judging by his performance in the Spring Game, his on-field worth will be evident in the coming seasons. From the posts by Spart43, he already sounds like an excellent ambassador and representative off the field.

BGSU-Ph.D. · Post by **BGSU-Ph.D.** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:34 pm

I don't really think players choose MAC schools over other schools when they have a real choice.
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They do, just not that often. I agree with DD that some (all?) MAC schools use the term "offer" quite liberally.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:59 pm

JoeFalcon wrote:The offers are legit and are verifiable by numerous sources, including high school coaches. They also aren't usually casual conversations but rather written letters stating the specific terms of the agreement.

What's amazing is the irrelevence of this topic in the grand scheme of things. Omar was dropped by Kansas State after someone else committed and he's now predicted by major media outlets to be the first quarteback selected in the 2006 NFL Draft. Alex Smith was only "offered" by Louisville (where his uncle was the coach) and Utah.

It.......is..........meaningless.

Would it shake your world to know that the recruiting news groups don't really know what they are talking about?

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:08 pm

To a large extent, I agree with Fitch. Sites like Rivals do a decent job tracking the 50-100 kids everyone has on their radar and a generally lousy job tracking and scouting the kids that fall "below" that level.

By the time they get to *** and ** kids, they're going on very limited information to make those judgements. Peter Winovich wasn't even rated until we offered him in 2004 and then he was almost elevated to *** when Notre Dame and Penn State started talking to him. He did all that without playing a single additional down of football.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:34 pm

Well he must be a 3 star athlete if PSU and ND were talking to him right?

BGSU2005 · Post by **BGSU2005** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 1:58 pm

Not sure how much you guys look at recruiting services. IMO, scout is better than rivals. Anyway, if you do, don't look at how many stars a player has because they don't update those very often. Look at his offer list and that will tell you what kind of player he is.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 5:06 pm

Would it shake your world to know that the recruiting news groups don't really know what they are talking about?

The only thing that shakes my world is stuffed crust pizza and that was invented over a decade ago.

Also, I wasn't talking about the "news groups." I was talking about Phil Bennett and the Kansas State coaching staff who had tape on Omar and evaluated him themselves.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 6:02 pm

BGSU2005 wrote:Not sure how much you guys look at recruiting services. IMO, scout is better than rivals. Anyway, if you do, don't look at how many stars a player has because they don't update those very often. Look at his offer list and that will tell you what kind of player he is.

The problem with that approach is that the kids often take "send us a tape and we'll see" as an "offer". Since the schools themselves are very tight lipped about recruiting (NCAA rules forbid commenting officially and leaking info serves little purpose) you only have the kid, his family and coach's word to go on.

Thier reliabilty is suspect....

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 11:20 pm

Flipper wrote:The problem with that approach is that the kids often take "send us a tape and we'll see" as an "offer".

When I was working in North Carolina, I had a kid that did not want to commit to our D-III program because he was "talking with" the baseball coach at NC State - he last talked to him in February and we were in late June trying to get him to tell us where he was going to go.