Student Athlete Renegging Solution????

[Falconboy]

For these HS seniors who committ to a school and then renig on that schollie should pay some penelty for screwing up that schools roster. I think its only fair. Anybody else think this way? I'm sick and tired of kids saying the'll play for you then before they even play a game they say I'm too homesick for my mommy. We are now down to one scholarship power forward as far as our roster goes. Unless your going say that Sullivan is power forward but I thought that he was more a real physical 3 player.

[transfer2BGSU]

Do you mean RENEGE?

[ZiggyZoomba]

Do you mean RENEGE?

THIS is why I love this website!!

[Metz]

Do you mean RENEGE?

I believe he does. I also believe our roster isn't too screwed up. We don't have less than 12 players so I wouldn't call that screwed up. I have a feeling Marschall is going to play the C position when Lefeld is on the bench. After that, everyone is 6'6 and below so it's going to be interesting to see how we match up. If/when you run 3-guard sets, your PF is normally around 6-5 to 6-7 so I think we are set.

Then again, how many times is the same man guarding you by the time you shoot the ball in the motion offense? Especially one that 99.9% of the time has 3 passes before the shot? On defense we need to be quick. I realize we will get destroyed down low, but we can make up for it in other areas.

[PGY Tiercel]

For these HS seniors who committ to a school and then renig on that schollie should pay some penelty for screwing up that schools roster. I think its only fair. Anybody else think this way? I'm sick and tired of kids saying the'll play for you then before they even play a game they say I'm too homesick for my mommy. We are now down to one scholarship power forward as far as our roster goes. Unless your going say that Sullivan is power forward but I thought that he was more a real physical 3 player.

Nope. Tough luck to the school. This is college sports, not professional. If someone decides they don't fit there later, it sucks but oh well. What to want this guy to do pay 500 bucks in fines. It doesn't get the team another player, there is the scholarship that they could still possibly fill. The University didn't really put any more money into recruiting him then some schools put into recruiting graduate students or faculty members (free meals, air fare hotel stays). A penalty might only encourage a kid to physically stay, but if he doesn't really want to why would he play well.

[JoeFalcon]

This was a bizarre situation and a massive waste of time and resources for the player and the program.

I think BG deserves some type of restitution besides the scholly opening up again given the circumstances and the fact he never even took classes in the Fall, but the NCAA can simply say, "Um, why wasn't the issue of location (and potential homesickess) addressed in the recruiting process?"


Oh, and for all Seinfeld fans, the obligatory quote(s):

Newman: We had a deal! Are you reneging out of the deal? Are you reneging? That's a renege.

Kramer: Oh, stop saying reneging.

[HoustonFalcon]

Unfortunately, this is always going to happen in college sports. But you know, coming from another college coach that has to deal with this type of thing more at the junior college level, it's something that is bothering, but you have to look at the young persons perspective. I have had a couple of girls that have signed somewhere else, but decided to transfer after the first year and come play for us for a year. But I also think that you have to flip the situation around. Do we automatically let a kid out of a scholarship when a coach leaves, and that kid only came because of the coach. I know for a fact that a lot of AD's don't want to give the kid his or her release just because there is a coaching change. These kids are only 18 and 19 years old, sometimes you really don't know how you're going to react to being away from home until you really are.

[Falconboy]

Are you saying we still have a schollie to give or are we screwed until next recruiting season?

[MiamiBando]

Isn't it Renege?



Just thought I'd reaffirm it. I mean I'd hate for the NCAA to get ahold of this site, and see that.

[BGDrew]

Of course we have an extra scholarship, the athlete never took advantage of the one given.

[Goose]

I say we penalize the kid by ostracizing him from the country and forcing him to move to France. How dare an 18-year-old kid change his mind and screw up our team! We should also be able to do the same thing to kids that get injured during the season. Of course injuries are a little different, so we can send them to Quebec.

[BGorDeath]

I say we penalize the kid by ostracizing him from the country and forcing him to move to France. How dare an 18-year-old kid change his mind and screw up our team! We should also be able to do the same thing to kids that get injured during the season. Of course injuries are a little different, so we can send them to Quebec.

Can't we just shoot the kid? It would save any other school from having the same problem with the same kid.

[BleedOrange]

I say we penalize the kid by ostracizing him from the country and forcing him to move to France. How dare an 18-year-old kid change his mind and screw up our team! We should also be able to do the same thing to kids that get injured during the season. Of course injuries are a little different, so we can send them to Quebec.

Nah. Let these 18 year old children do and say whatever they want. It's too much to actually expect them to do things like show a little fortitude, accept responsibility, and face new challenges. They'll grow up soon enough.

[Goose]

Nah. Let these 18 year old children do and say whatever they want. It's too much to actually expect them to do things like show a little fortitude, accept responsibility, and face new challenges. They'll grow up soon enough.

I'm not exactly sure of the rules in this case? Does the kid have to sit out a year since he signed a letter of intent, or can he enroll at another D-1 school and play immediately since he did not start classes? If he does not have to sit out, my guess is if he signed his letter of intent then BG would have to release him from his scholarship in order for him to be able to play right away.

Regardless of the rules, there is more responsibility that has to be accepted by a player who decides to transfer then there is for a coach who backs out of a signed contract. A player that transfers to another D-1 school has to sit out a year. What kind of punishment does a coach get when he backs out of a contract and leaves for another school? It seems to me that the player is held to a higher standard by having to sit out a year.

Taken a step further, what would happen to an adult who leaves their job to go work at another company? Do they have to sit out a year? Just like this player who is "screwing up that schools roster", when you leave a job you are putting your former employer in a bad position. They have to hire somebody new, train them, get them up to speed, etc. These kids are being held to a higher standard then we are, and you guys are trying to say that they should have more severe penalties?

The kid came here and for whatever reason he changed his mind and decided he is going somewhere else. If you don't think he has to accept as much or more responsibility then others who change their mind in similar situations in our society then you are crazy! These things happen with adults and they certainly happen with eighteen-year-old kids who are away from home for the first time. It happens with kids on athletic scholarships and it happens with students who aren't on an athletic scholarship. The kid isn't committing any crime, so how do you figure they should be punished more severely then anybody else that changes their mind about something?

I'm just as disappointed as anyone else at all the transfers coming out of this program. After hearing about this recruiting class and then finding out that one of the top recruits will not be coming here, I was disappointed about that too. However, if a kid doesn't want to be here they have the right to go elsewhere. They also have to face consequences for making this decision that you or I don't necessarily have to face. To insinuate that they should have to pay a more severe penalty for making a decision that you wish they didn't make is absurd. If a kid doesn't want to play for BG, then I don't want them here no matter how talented they are, and I think coach Dakich and every other coach in America would tell you the same thing. Let the kid go and move on without him!

[manager]

Lay off the kid.
I know more than a few 50-year-olds who don't honor their word -- and if you can't find any, pick up a newspaper -- the Wall Street Journal should provide examples, just to name one.