Well, if you want more "action," I'd like to suggest that you give indoor soccer a shot. I don't know if there are any indoor facilities around here or not, but its just like hockey with smaller teams, smaller field, and glass walls all around the field. If you're careful with it, you can definately body check people into the glass.
As for outdoor soccer, I'd really love to see some of the "tough" football players go out there and run about 5 miles over the course of 90 min, with just one break inbetween. OK, the defenders, and goalie don't move as much as your midfielders, but there's far more movement here than in any other "major" sport.
As for injuries, I've had pretty serious knee problems thanks to the game, and at one point I slid, ended up on the bottom of a few people and got someone's clete in my eye, therefore scratching my cornia. The rest of the game I was pretty much seeing double out of that eye, and we didn't have enough subs to get me out. I came off the field for a few, made sure I was alive, and went out there for the rest of the game.
Scoring. I've got two examples.
#1. One of the greatest games I've ever watched was in the 2002 World Cup when the US played Germany. For any of you who watched this, the final score was 1-0 Germany, but that match was over 90 min. of an intense Tug-of-War. Low scoring yes, but there were numerous scoring opportunities, and when they finally became serious, it was awesome.
#2. I was at a Chicago Fire (MLS) match a few years ago, and it finished in OT 0-0. The same as above with the constant tension and the possibility of scoring. In addition, actually being at the game, while surrounded by the fans and the cheering makes it far better than on TV; you should all know that from watching any sport.
Really, go to a pro match somewhere, try to figure out whats going on, and I'm sure that a few of you will find it to be great.
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ack to the original issue, it just struck me why there is no youth football in BG. HOCKEY!!!! BG is a hockey town. Kids start playing hockey when they are like three years old. Hockey has leagues throughout the year, there is no offseason. The same kids that would play football are already playing hockey. There is no way for kids to play both sports at the same time.
So, IMO, Hockey is the reason there is no youth football in BG.
I believe that is 1/2 of equation...the other half is baseball, the single largest comunity participation sport. the season both overlap football with baseball ending in Sept, and hockey starting for many in sept.
There are no wimps in sports, only those who play, and those who sit in front of a cpu and play games and eat bags of chips.
A spring HS football would be great.
So, IMO, Hockey is the reason there is no youth football in BG.
I believe that is 1/2 of equation...the other half is baseball, the single largest comunity participation sport. the season both overlap football with baseball ending in Sept, and hockey starting for many in sept.
There are no wimps in sports, only those who play, and those who sit in front of a cpu and play games and eat bags of chips.
A spring HS football would be great.
Just let me clarify my comments that I do NOT think soccer is for wusses or whatever. I've seen soccer players get slide tackled and come up bleeding from spikes, or elbowed, whatever. They're definitely great athletes cuz that field is too damn big to be running around for 90 minutes straight, and the game doesn't allow for many substitutions.
I get all that, and in no way am I saying soccer players aren't great athletes or aren't tough enough.
I just think that Soccer sucks balls. I've tried to watch whenever the world cup or whatever is on, but it sucks...to me. That said, I have no problem watching 6 hours of televised golf, so I'm more than willing to admit that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm not a parent, but if I were I would, of course, not deny my children of any opportunity. If they wanted to play soccer I'd let them, and I'd be at all their games supporting them...heck I'd probably volunteer to coach, as my father did for my baseball all those years. I'd let them play whatever they wanted, and I'd support them in it, but I'd still think that soccer sucks, unless its my kids' game
I get all that, and in no way am I saying soccer players aren't great athletes or aren't tough enough.
I just think that Soccer sucks balls. I've tried to watch whenever the world cup or whatever is on, but it sucks...to me. That said, I have no problem watching 6 hours of televised golf, so I'm more than willing to admit that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I'm not a parent, but if I were I would, of course, not deny my children of any opportunity. If they wanted to play soccer I'd let them, and I'd be at all their games supporting them...heck I'd probably volunteer to coach, as my father did for my baseball all those years. I'd let them play whatever they wanted, and I'd support them in it, but I'd still think that soccer sucks, unless its my kids' game
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So here is my thing about soccer. The clock stops and everyone keeps playing... WHAT THE HELL!!!!! Isn't the point of having a game clock to limit the time of the game. If you aren't going to use the thing then just make it first team to 3 goals wins. Wait, some matches would last days then.
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Well, the clock that the general public sees is not the official clock. The head referee is the one who keeps track of the time, so throughout the game he starts and stops his own clock whenever there are penalties, injuries, etc. At the end of each half, an official on the sideline will hold up a sign indicating roughly how much additional stoppage time will be added onto the end of the half. In a typical game, there is somewhere between 2 and 4 minutes of stoppage time, although sometimes there is more/less time allotted.It's the Journey... wrote: The clock stops and everyone keeps playing...
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Yeah it's pretty dumb that the OFFICIAL time be kept by an OFFICIAL rather than a hometown clock operator sitting at the scorer's table who might also be in charge of your utilities bill. . .It's the Journey... wrote:So here is my thing about soccer. The clock stops and everyone keeps playing... WHAT THE HELL!!!!! Isn't the point of having a game clock to limit the time of the game. If you aren't going to use the thing then just make it first team to 3 goals wins. Wait, some matches would last days then.
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Good Lord, did I really just read all that? Well, yes. And here are a few generalized reactions:
Despite growing up in the Homeland in a town with no youth soccer program, I'm about to embark on my fifth year of coaching youth soccer in suburban Maryland. (The better you know me, the funnier you'll find this.) Most of the kids I coach would more than likely show up on Botox's "loser" radar -- in fact, one of my third graders is a developmentally disabled kid who has been partially mainstreamed in Devil Child #2's class.
As one moves up the ranks out here, soccer is a brutally competitive endeavor. We've got teams for nine-year-olds where the parents chip in a couple of thousand bucks each to pay the coaches. They travel to hell and gone for tournaments. It's ridiculous.
All that Washington-area overachiever energy eventually filters up to our local suburban Maryland HS -- a 2000-student mega-school that is the seven-time big-school state champs in soccer. (They've also won the state golf title four years in a row -- I guess it helps to have so many kids in the school who can play Avenel and Congressional.)
We told our parents five years ago (when Devil Child #1's team was in first grade) that if their kids played year round, made a travel team, and did soccer camps every summer, they *might* have a *chance* of making the HS varsity. Out of my twelve fifth graders, I'm guessing maybe two have a realistic shot of playing HS ball. (I've encouraged both to leave our team for more competitive soccer, but they want to stick with their friends.)
And, fortunately for me, my soccer moms and dads get it. They live where they do despite their athletic ability -- not because of it. So my team plays in the "rec" division for two eight-game seasons each year (one fall and one spring). We have kids who have to miss games or practices some times for music recitals, Chinese lessons, or weekends at Grandma's.
And that's fine. Because we aren't really teaching soccer. What we are doing is this:
(1) Cultivating a love of physical activity and games. I don't care what the kids play when they grow up as long as they want to play SOMETHING. Given their gene pool, I've already started suggesting to the Devil Children that they think about cross country as their HS sport. I suspect a couple of my fifth-graders will migrate to football once they can; one of them is so doggone big, it would be a shame if he didn't give it a try.
(2) Teaching kids to be good teammates and good sports. I think this is the primary purpose of youth activities of all types -- Scouts, Sunday School, whatever. Youth sports coaches have an advantage in teaching these lessons because we get to hide them in a fun activity. I count myself very lucky to have a co-coach with the same philosophy.
(3) Encouraging the kids to take pride in developing a skill over a period of months or years. This is vital for school and for life. You could do the same thing with any number of activities. Music lessons come to mind. But I think you can reach a lot of kids with a ball who would never pick up a violin. And you can teach EVERY kid to improve and to take some pride in the amount by which they have improved -- even though they know that others are better at the game.
All that said, I'll echo the comments above about the importance of having a variety of youth sports and other activities available and resisiting the pressure to specialize in only one, at least until your child has tried several different things.
So, for those of you who think soccer sucks, hey, that's fine. You may change your mind when it's your kid kicking the ball. And if you're dead set against that, get them into (several) something else(s).
Despite growing up in the Homeland in a town with no youth soccer program, I'm about to embark on my fifth year of coaching youth soccer in suburban Maryland. (The better you know me, the funnier you'll find this.) Most of the kids I coach would more than likely show up on Botox's "loser" radar -- in fact, one of my third graders is a developmentally disabled kid who has been partially mainstreamed in Devil Child #2's class.
As one moves up the ranks out here, soccer is a brutally competitive endeavor. We've got teams for nine-year-olds where the parents chip in a couple of thousand bucks each to pay the coaches. They travel to hell and gone for tournaments. It's ridiculous.
All that Washington-area overachiever energy eventually filters up to our local suburban Maryland HS -- a 2000-student mega-school that is the seven-time big-school state champs in soccer. (They've also won the state golf title four years in a row -- I guess it helps to have so many kids in the school who can play Avenel and Congressional.)
We told our parents five years ago (when Devil Child #1's team was in first grade) that if their kids played year round, made a travel team, and did soccer camps every summer, they *might* have a *chance* of making the HS varsity. Out of my twelve fifth graders, I'm guessing maybe two have a realistic shot of playing HS ball. (I've encouraged both to leave our team for more competitive soccer, but they want to stick with their friends.)
And, fortunately for me, my soccer moms and dads get it. They live where they do despite their athletic ability -- not because of it. So my team plays in the "rec" division for two eight-game seasons each year (one fall and one spring). We have kids who have to miss games or practices some times for music recitals, Chinese lessons, or weekends at Grandma's.
And that's fine. Because we aren't really teaching soccer. What we are doing is this:
(1) Cultivating a love of physical activity and games. I don't care what the kids play when they grow up as long as they want to play SOMETHING. Given their gene pool, I've already started suggesting to the Devil Children that they think about cross country as their HS sport. I suspect a couple of my fifth-graders will migrate to football once they can; one of them is so doggone big, it would be a shame if he didn't give it a try.
(2) Teaching kids to be good teammates and good sports. I think this is the primary purpose of youth activities of all types -- Scouts, Sunday School, whatever. Youth sports coaches have an advantage in teaching these lessons because we get to hide them in a fun activity. I count myself very lucky to have a co-coach with the same philosophy.
(3) Encouraging the kids to take pride in developing a skill over a period of months or years. This is vital for school and for life. You could do the same thing with any number of activities. Music lessons come to mind. But I think you can reach a lot of kids with a ball who would never pick up a violin. And you can teach EVERY kid to improve and to take some pride in the amount by which they have improved -- even though they know that others are better at the game.
All that said, I'll echo the comments above about the importance of having a variety of youth sports and other activities available and resisiting the pressure to specialize in only one, at least until your child has tried several different things.
So, for those of you who think soccer sucks, hey, that's fine. You may change your mind when it's your kid kicking the ball. And if you're dead set against that, get them into (several) something else(s).
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At the risk of beating a dead horse, I want to defend soccer for a moment.
I lived in Rochester for a few years. That's a good soccer town. Back in the 1970s, when the NASL seemed like it was going to take over the world, it was home to the Rochester Lancers, which had a very good rivalry going with Cosmos (featuring Pele).
Rochester is now home to the Raging Rhinos of the A-League, which is a step below Major League Soccer. Rochester is building a soccer-specific stadium -- much like the one in Columbus -- in hopes of landing an MLS expansion team.
For now, they play in a minor league baseball park -- imagine trying to play a Falcons football game at Fifth/Third Field. That's how it has been for years there. Yet they get big crowds: 9,000, 10,000, 11,000 per game, with half the seats piled behind one of the goals.
I saw every pro sport Rochester had to offer when I was there: the Red Wings (International League), the Americans (American Hockey League), the Knighthawks (indoor lacrosse), outdoor lacrosse, minor league arena football. Some of those teams oozed tradition.
But I thought soccer was best. The Rhinos usually crushed opponents. In fact, the Rhinos often beat MLS teams in friendlies and tournaments and whatever.
Soccer was a big deal there -- in part because the local team had the opportunity to line up with the very best teams in America and beat them, as they did to the MetroStars a month ago. In that sense, it was more important than any other minor league sport.
I had a lot of fun at those games.
And I hope Rochester gets its MLS team. That city deserves it.
I lived in Rochester for a few years. That's a good soccer town. Back in the 1970s, when the NASL seemed like it was going to take over the world, it was home to the Rochester Lancers, which had a very good rivalry going with Cosmos (featuring Pele).
Rochester is now home to the Raging Rhinos of the A-League, which is a step below Major League Soccer. Rochester is building a soccer-specific stadium -- much like the one in Columbus -- in hopes of landing an MLS expansion team.
For now, they play in a minor league baseball park -- imagine trying to play a Falcons football game at Fifth/Third Field. That's how it has been for years there. Yet they get big crowds: 9,000, 10,000, 11,000 per game, with half the seats piled behind one of the goals.
I saw every pro sport Rochester had to offer when I was there: the Red Wings (International League), the Americans (American Hockey League), the Knighthawks (indoor lacrosse), outdoor lacrosse, minor league arena football. Some of those teams oozed tradition.
But I thought soccer was best. The Rhinos usually crushed opponents. In fact, the Rhinos often beat MLS teams in friendlies and tournaments and whatever.
Soccer was a big deal there -- in part because the local team had the opportunity to line up with the very best teams in America and beat them, as they did to the MetroStars a month ago. In that sense, it was more important than any other minor league sport.
I had a lot of fun at those games.
And I hope Rochester gets its MLS team. That city deserves it.
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Again, interesting side note: one of my best friends at BG was from Fairport. Rochester is fun!Schadenfreude wrote:At the risk of beating a dead horse, I want to defend soccer for a moment.
I lived in Rochester for a few years. That's a good soccer town. Back in the 1970s, when the NASL seemed like it was going to take over the world, it was home to the Rochester Lancers, which had a very good rivalry going with Cosmos (featuring Pele).
Rochester is now home to the Raging Rhinos of the A-League, which is a step below Major League Soccer. Rochester is building a soccer-specific stadium -- much like the one in Columbus -- in hopes of landing an MLS expansion team.
For now, they play in a minor league baseball park -- imagine trying to play a Falcons football game at Fifth/Third Field. That's how it has been for years there. Yet they get big crowds: 9,000, 10,000, 11,000 per game, with half the seats piled behind one of the goals.
I saw every pro sport Rochester had to offer when I was there: the Red Wings (International League), the Americans (American Hockey League), the Knighthawks (indoor lacrosse), outdoor lacrosse, minor league arena football. Some of those teams oozed tradition.
But I thought soccer was best. The Rhinos usually crushed opponents. In fact, the Rhinos often beat MLS teams in friendlies and tournaments and whatever.
Soccer was a big deal there -- in part because the local team had the opportunity to line up with the very best teams in America and beat them, as they did to the MetroStars a month ago. In that sense, it was more important than any other minor league sport.
I had a lot of fun at those games.
And I hope Rochester gets its MLS team. That city deserves it.
And on the MLS stuff, we have this stupid FC Dallas team here, and they just got the soccer field of all soccer fields. And they publicize the crap out of it. And it is driving me crazy. NO, I still don't care, and NO I'm never going to go see a game there.
But I am definitely going to work on my attitude now that DevilGrad told me I had too sensitive of a "loser radar." I am definitely all for letting people do what they want to do, and I completely appreciate the value of youth sports, even soccer. And the good news is, my son's team is just about to start back. Go Stingrays!!!!
FAST KICKING, LOW SCORING, SOCCER! (Sorry I couldn't resist.)
All kids should play soccer for the exercise. At least until they can play football or baseball.
By the way, I can't beleive how much was written above. I actually read it all. (I am ashamed.)
I think I have done more reading on this site then the total combined reading I did when I was at BG. I love it.
All kids should play soccer for the exercise. At least until they can play football or baseball.
By the way, I can't beleive how much was written above. I actually read it all. (I am ashamed.)
I think I have done more reading on this site then the total combined reading I did when I was at BG. I love it.
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Plug time! Visit http://www.bgsusports.com/othersports/davewottle.shtml to read up on Dave Wottle.DevilGrad wrote:One more thing: I guess those of you making fun of running need a refresher course on Dave Wottle, who, for my money, is still the best athlete ever to attend BG.
That is some damn fine writing. Thanks for that, UK!!!UK Peregrine wrote: Plug time! Visit http://www.bgsusports.com/othersports/davewottle.shtml to read up on Dave Wottle.
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I can't believe that with one week to go before the season opener we are talking about freakin youth soccer.
But since you brought up Rochester NY and the Lancers I am now compelled to respond. Yes, the same Lancers with Goaltender Shep Messing who had a "no practice" clause added into his contract. Branko Segota, Stoyanavich, Charlie Mitchell, Iris Debrito, etc.
Rochester is also a big hockey town for comparitive purposes against BG (per previous thread discussion). That had a lot to do with college selection...a football AND hockey team.
To all the AZZER's up there in Empire State...give my regards to the House of Guitars and we'll see you in Buffalo...what about 6 or 7 weeks from now right???
Now lets talk some serious footbal #$%^ now!!
But since you brought up Rochester NY and the Lancers I am now compelled to respond. Yes, the same Lancers with Goaltender Shep Messing who had a "no practice" clause added into his contract. Branko Segota, Stoyanavich, Charlie Mitchell, Iris Debrito, etc.
Rochester is also a big hockey town for comparitive purposes against BG (per previous thread discussion). That had a lot to do with college selection...a football AND hockey team.
To all the AZZER's up there in Empire State...give my regards to the House of Guitars and we'll see you in Buffalo...what about 6 or 7 weeks from now right???
Now lets talk some serious footbal #$%^ now!!
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I was a Lancer's season ticket holder for the 1980 season, live around the corner from the HOG. I'll give Armand your love.JohnnySwoop '85 wrote:I can't believe that with one week to go before the season opener we are talking about freakin youth soccer.
But since you brought up Rochester NY and the Lancers I am now compelled to respond. Yes, the same Lancers with Goaltender Shep Messing who had a "no practice" clause added into his contract. Branko Segota, Stoyanavich, Charlie Mitchell, Iris Debrito, etc.
Rochester is also a big hockey town for comparitive purposes against BG (per previous thread discussion). That had a lot to do with college selection...a football AND hockey team.
To all the AZZER's up there in Empire State...give my regards to the House of Guitars and we'll see you in Buffalo...what about 6 or 7 weeks from now right???
Now lets talk some serious footbal #$%^ now!!
Want me to bring a Garbage Plate to Buffalo?
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