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exactly, we need Lovett to steal some of our stars from Off and put them on D, b/c we will soon learn that are Off system is part of the reason why they star on Off!
4th & 13 on PU 32yd line.. 56,000 fans up on their feet screaming, i held my breath the entire play trying to make as little noise as possible.. wouldnt u know Sharon would make the biggest touchdown catch in the history of BG Football, FALCON UP!
Now that I have cooled off after a long drive home.
I agree with J4H, Sharon's attitude was not the best. He did have cramps in the second and third quarter but it reminded me of the freshman Charles Sharon.
We really miss Cole Magner. Sanders, Sharon, and Partridge are great receivers but we are missing a go to guy on third down. Magner was money in the bank on third down. Seems like all we have now are big play guys. We don't have the over the middle player right now. I expect Parks to get better but he was a no factor. Losing Pope really hurt because he is also a great short yardage receiver. I remember looking at the scoreboard and we were 5/5 on third down conversions when Pope was in. Later I looked and we were 5/11.
Sanders and Partridge were as good as I thought they were going be.
Like I said previously the only defensive players I was impressed with our defensive backs. I guess I am not impressed by them but they were not ones looking like fools. They got absolutely no help from the defensive line or linebackers. I am sure our secondary is pretty black and blue today. They were the ones who actually made tackles instead of trying to make weak arm tackles that I could probably run through.
In reference to another thread. Second half adjustments? I honestly don't know what we could have done to make the outcome any different for our defense. They were greatly overmatched with skill, speed, size, and especially depth. Their biggest advantage was they were able to rotate Calhoun/Bernstein and Stanley/(other fullback) all game long. We knew what was coming on every play but we were outclassed at every position upfront. We don't have the players on defense to stop a run attack like that so I don't really see what could have been done differently in the second half. You cannot teach tackling and speed at halftime.
I don't really see what difference it would make to have players like Partridge and Magner on defense. I see what you guys are getting at (getting better players on defense) but our problem is the front seven. It was our problem last year too. No pressure on the QB will result in open receivers vs any cornerbacks. I think our secondary is pretty athletic for the MAC.
I think we will be fine. Calhoun is the real deal. He is an NFL running back, something that MAC has very little of. Wisconsin does not win this game without him. It is obvious that we will be able to score on anyone. Given what happened to the rest of the MAC schools yesterday and Boise St., I think we are in pretty good shape as far as the rest of the season goes. Our kicking game is definitely a concern. The kickoffs were bad and the punt and kick coverage were bad too. I still think had Williams not had that 80 yard kicoff return when it was 20-7 that this game would have ended up quite differently. Momemtum was lost and their gameplan remained run, run, run.
Omar Jacobs is truely special. He threw for 460 yards and five touchdowns even with his receivers dropping about 6 (?) passes. Their student body also played a big role in this game. They had Omar rattled and because of field position we were by them on almost every series. Sanders is superfast, he was gone on that reverse had his own linemen not got in his way. After the spring game I predicted Partridge would graduate BG as are all time leading receiver. So far so good.
I agree with J4H, Sharon's attitude was not the best. He did have cramps in the second and third quarter but it reminded me of the freshman Charles Sharon.
We really miss Cole Magner. Sanders, Sharon, and Partridge are great receivers but we are missing a go to guy on third down. Magner was money in the bank on third down. Seems like all we have now are big play guys. We don't have the over the middle player right now. I expect Parks to get better but he was a no factor. Losing Pope really hurt because he is also a great short yardage receiver. I remember looking at the scoreboard and we were 5/5 on third down conversions when Pope was in. Later I looked and we were 5/11.
Sanders and Partridge were as good as I thought they were going be.
Like I said previously the only defensive players I was impressed with our defensive backs. I guess I am not impressed by them but they were not ones looking like fools. They got absolutely no help from the defensive line or linebackers. I am sure our secondary is pretty black and blue today. They were the ones who actually made tackles instead of trying to make weak arm tackles that I could probably run through.
In reference to another thread. Second half adjustments? I honestly don't know what we could have done to make the outcome any different for our defense. They were greatly overmatched with skill, speed, size, and especially depth. Their biggest advantage was they were able to rotate Calhoun/Bernstein and Stanley/(other fullback) all game long. We knew what was coming on every play but we were outclassed at every position upfront. We don't have the players on defense to stop a run attack like that so I don't really see what could have been done differently in the second half. You cannot teach tackling and speed at halftime.
I don't really see what difference it would make to have players like Partridge and Magner on defense. I see what you guys are getting at (getting better players on defense) but our problem is the front seven. It was our problem last year too. No pressure on the QB will result in open receivers vs any cornerbacks. I think our secondary is pretty athletic for the MAC.
I think we will be fine. Calhoun is the real deal. He is an NFL running back, something that MAC has very little of. Wisconsin does not win this game without him. It is obvious that we will be able to score on anyone. Given what happened to the rest of the MAC schools yesterday and Boise St., I think we are in pretty good shape as far as the rest of the season goes. Our kicking game is definitely a concern. The kickoffs were bad and the punt and kick coverage were bad too. I still think had Williams not had that 80 yard kicoff return when it was 20-7 that this game would have ended up quite differently. Momemtum was lost and their gameplan remained run, run, run.
Omar Jacobs is truely special. He threw for 460 yards and five touchdowns even with his receivers dropping about 6 (?) passes. Their student body also played a big role in this game. They had Omar rattled and because of field position we were by them on almost every series. Sanders is superfast, he was gone on that reverse had his own linemen not got in his way. After the spring game I predicted Partridge would graduate BG as are all time leading receiver. So far so good.
I only watched the first half (on tape after having to listen to the game live) because I coulnd't take much more. But the one thing I noticed alot was our d-line getting pushed off the line of scrimmage and even worse was that our LBs were no where to be found. I don't know when Teddy P. got hurt, but he had ONE tackle.hammb wrote:Our LBs were terrible yesterday
When you play a 4-3 def, your MLB should be in double digits for tackles every game.The other thing I noticed was that we can't get off blocks. Once the Wisc player engaged our defensive player, it was over. We have got to do a better job of keeping blockers of the LBs so they can make some plays.
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This is from the offense vs Defense forum and some good arguments are made with our program
Re: Defense vs Offense
quote: Originally posted by Salsa:
You can argue that BG and other non-BCS teams don't focus on recruiting good defensive players, especially defensive linemen, but I can't buy that argument. Big and athletic defensive linemen and linebackers are at a premium and the top programs do everything they can to get them.
The best chance a non-BCS coach who wants to build a program has is to:
1-focus first on creating a powerful offense and create a national reputation for exciting football.
2-then hope that this reputation will help him bring in some big and athletic defensive linemen and linebackers so that he can build a strong defense.
If he can be successful at doing 1 and then 2, then he has a chance to build a top program that can do well against anyone.
This strategy does not mean of course that you neglect building a defense. It just means that building a good offense first and then hoping to ride this success and build a good defense makes the most sense.
I believe that Coach Brandon is following this strategy. He has a powerful and exciting offense. Can he use this to recruit better defensive players, big and athletic defensive players? Time will tell.
It is extremely difficult in recruiting top defensive players to go against programs like Ohio State, Auburn, Oklahoma, USC, and so on. Or even programs like Michigan State, West Virginia, Boston College, and Virginia.
Give Coach Brandon credit. He knows and has publicly stated that "defense wins championships". Every other coach, especially in the big programs knows this as well.
I think it is unrealistic to expect quick results in this area. Let's see how our defense develops over the next 2-3 years.
GO BG!!
These are great points. I agree with this viewpoint because we are trying to use are explosive and entertainig offense to bring in defensive recruits. Its really hard because recruiting is a flat out battle for D line man and LBs. When i go to rivals100.com to see the best D lineman and Lbs in the country, the size of the players and competition between schools is crazy. These D lineman that are going to these national powerfouse programs are are 290 to 350 lbs compared to Bg's 260 to 290lbs D lineman. As for the LBs, Bg's linebacker size isnt that bad compared to the best in the nation, the only difference is that they are running 4.5 and 4.4 40 yards dashes. The have the speed and size combination, which is lacking at Bg. The last linebackers we had with the great combination of size and speed was mitch Hewitt and NFL bound Washington Redskin Khary Campbell. We will know our program is moving in the right direction of stopping the run when we recruit some size on the D line and some big speedy LBs. i think that using our amazing and attractive offense wil attract some quality D lineman and LBs because they will see that we need them!! and hopefully they will come to help us out. One thing we should be proud of is that bg is getting some great offensive recruits which will maintain our high powered offense.
Anthony Turner is the Real Deal, if omar leaves, we will be solid!!!
go Falcons
Re: Defense vs Offense
quote: Originally posted by Salsa:
You can argue that BG and other non-BCS teams don't focus on recruiting good defensive players, especially defensive linemen, but I can't buy that argument. Big and athletic defensive linemen and linebackers are at a premium and the top programs do everything they can to get them.
The best chance a non-BCS coach who wants to build a program has is to:
1-focus first on creating a powerful offense and create a national reputation for exciting football.
2-then hope that this reputation will help him bring in some big and athletic defensive linemen and linebackers so that he can build a strong defense.
If he can be successful at doing 1 and then 2, then he has a chance to build a top program that can do well against anyone.
This strategy does not mean of course that you neglect building a defense. It just means that building a good offense first and then hoping to ride this success and build a good defense makes the most sense.
I believe that Coach Brandon is following this strategy. He has a powerful and exciting offense. Can he use this to recruit better defensive players, big and athletic defensive players? Time will tell.
It is extremely difficult in recruiting top defensive players to go against programs like Ohio State, Auburn, Oklahoma, USC, and so on. Or even programs like Michigan State, West Virginia, Boston College, and Virginia.
Give Coach Brandon credit. He knows and has publicly stated that "defense wins championships". Every other coach, especially in the big programs knows this as well.
I think it is unrealistic to expect quick results in this area. Let's see how our defense develops over the next 2-3 years.
GO BG!!
These are great points. I agree with this viewpoint because we are trying to use are explosive and entertainig offense to bring in defensive recruits. Its really hard because recruiting is a flat out battle for D line man and LBs. When i go to rivals100.com to see the best D lineman and Lbs in the country, the size of the players and competition between schools is crazy. These D lineman that are going to these national powerfouse programs are are 290 to 350 lbs compared to Bg's 260 to 290lbs D lineman. As for the LBs, Bg's linebacker size isnt that bad compared to the best in the nation, the only difference is that they are running 4.5 and 4.4 40 yards dashes. The have the speed and size combination, which is lacking at Bg. The last linebackers we had with the great combination of size and speed was mitch Hewitt and NFL bound Washington Redskin Khary Campbell. We will know our program is moving in the right direction of stopping the run when we recruit some size on the D line and some big speedy LBs. i think that using our amazing and attractive offense wil attract some quality D lineman and LBs because they will see that we need them!! and hopefully they will come to help us out. One thing we should be proud of is that bg is getting some great offensive recruits which will maintain our high powered offense.
Anthony Turner is the Real Deal, if omar leaves, we will be solid!!!
go Falcons
Go Falcons
I too, wanted to take some time away from posting after the debacle, b/c I didn't want to be viewed as my usual self and have some objectivity.
As most of you know, I never been sold on Brandon and Studwara from the get-go. I don't believe either has the intangibles to be great at their respective positions. Brandon is a great offensive coordinator. In my opinion, he will never be a great head coach. Studrawa is a great offensive line coach, but simply freaks out or doesn't understand the offensive philosophies enough or have the well, let's say guts, to run it against stiff(er) competition. Because of the postions they've occupied, the places they should be struggled yesterday. That was perhaps the most disheartening performance from the offensive line I've seen since Urban Meyer came to town. Our guys were physcially drained and beat up in the second half. The offense, except, against standard two-deep coverage in the second half forgot what got them 35 points in the first half, with relative ease.
Omar has a lot to work on before he turns pro. He does not pick up blitzes well, or perhaps his line was not giving him the opportunity to and he gets locked in on one receiver quite frequently (ie the interception and forgetting that Steve Sanders was on the field in the second half.)
Whoever kept stats for ESPN was GENEROUS to Charles Sharon, who was credited for 3 drops. Those things tend to stick out, particularly on the 2 yard line, but Sharon had a few more than 3. I would let Mr. Sharon watch the first half in Muncie next week, rather than giving up on his teammates in the fourth quarter, not that that's why we lost. Our asses were already handed to us by that point.
I feel similar to Hammb as well. We will never take the next step as a program until we stop being out-adjusted at halftime and win meaningful games on the road. Calhoun is a decent back. He's not great, but we sure as hell made him look that way yesterday.
Here's to PJ getting healthy this week.
Antonio Smith covers as well as Mayberry does. The difference is that Smith does not get run over trying to make tackles. I understand he's a true freshman, but I didn't see anything yesterday that makes me get giddy from a pass coverage standpoint. He continually got fooled out of the break and had to make open-field tackles, which he did, but our pass coverage still sucks. Jelani Jordan continues to be no better now than he was as a freshman.
Can we please recruit a friggen kicker?
Corey Partridge and Steve Sanders are going to have special years. Marques Parks isn't a star yet, but he's a nice 4th receiver. Charles Sharon, this is your Ron Lewis wake up call.
The defensive line was simply ridiculous and the linebackers weren't much better. We have little to no speed at LB and our D-line as mentioned by everyone else is too small. Deudre Perry can only not wrap and finish tackles so long before he gets it and Terrill Mayberry and his 150 lbs at safety are going to struggle all year long.
I feel for Omar and the lack of help he got in the second half. The Falcons will get better against a very undermanned Ball State team and the good news is Boise didn't handle their "Biggest Game in the History of the Program" very well either.
If I'm Gregg Brandon today, I would strap them up again and find out who wants to play and find 11 guys that tackle and play with emotion.
As most of you know, I never been sold on Brandon and Studwara from the get-go. I don't believe either has the intangibles to be great at their respective positions. Brandon is a great offensive coordinator. In my opinion, he will never be a great head coach. Studrawa is a great offensive line coach, but simply freaks out or doesn't understand the offensive philosophies enough or have the well, let's say guts, to run it against stiff(er) competition. Because of the postions they've occupied, the places they should be struggled yesterday. That was perhaps the most disheartening performance from the offensive line I've seen since Urban Meyer came to town. Our guys were physcially drained and beat up in the second half. The offense, except, against standard two-deep coverage in the second half forgot what got them 35 points in the first half, with relative ease.
Omar has a lot to work on before he turns pro. He does not pick up blitzes well, or perhaps his line was not giving him the opportunity to and he gets locked in on one receiver quite frequently (ie the interception and forgetting that Steve Sanders was on the field in the second half.)
Whoever kept stats for ESPN was GENEROUS to Charles Sharon, who was credited for 3 drops. Those things tend to stick out, particularly on the 2 yard line, but Sharon had a few more than 3. I would let Mr. Sharon watch the first half in Muncie next week, rather than giving up on his teammates in the fourth quarter, not that that's why we lost. Our asses were already handed to us by that point.
I feel similar to Hammb as well. We will never take the next step as a program until we stop being out-adjusted at halftime and win meaningful games on the road. Calhoun is a decent back. He's not great, but we sure as hell made him look that way yesterday.
Here's to PJ getting healthy this week.
Antonio Smith covers as well as Mayberry does. The difference is that Smith does not get run over trying to make tackles. I understand he's a true freshman, but I didn't see anything yesterday that makes me get giddy from a pass coverage standpoint. He continually got fooled out of the break and had to make open-field tackles, which he did, but our pass coverage still sucks. Jelani Jordan continues to be no better now than he was as a freshman.
Can we please recruit a friggen kicker?
Corey Partridge and Steve Sanders are going to have special years. Marques Parks isn't a star yet, but he's a nice 4th receiver. Charles Sharon, this is your Ron Lewis wake up call.
The defensive line was simply ridiculous and the linebackers weren't much better. We have little to no speed at LB and our D-line as mentioned by everyone else is too small. Deudre Perry can only not wrap and finish tackles so long before he gets it and Terrill Mayberry and his 150 lbs at safety are going to struggle all year long.
I feel for Omar and the lack of help he got in the second half. The Falcons will get better against a very undermanned Ball State team and the good news is Boise didn't handle their "Biggest Game in the History of the Program" very well either.
If I'm Gregg Brandon today, I would strap them up again and find out who wants to play and find 11 guys that tackle and play with emotion.
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BGSUFootballFan
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i agree with all of that except Calhoun only being decent, he is defn a star, and i also dont agree with the ripping on Chuckie get off his fickin back, he IS the best WR on our team, thats right..you heard it.. better than Steve i always fumble in big games Sanders and Corey omg i cant see the sidelines or goal line Partridge... dont mean to be so "harsh" but im sick of everyone riding the 2nd best player on our team!
4th & 13 on PU 32yd line.. 56,000 fans up on their feet screaming, i held my breath the entire play trying to make as little noise as possible.. wouldnt u know Sharon would make the biggest touchdown catch in the history of BG Football, FALCON UP!
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Wow -- that was a long sentence.
I'm sorry you have a thing for chuck, but his attitude was poor yesterday and it had to contribute to his drops. (again, I'm assuming he didn't have a temperature of 106 or some undisclosed injury). He sure looked healthy when he leaped to give a high five after an easy touchdown catch.
PJ and Omar are the two best players on our team. I'd put warren and Kory ahead of Chuck also, not that he isn't a fantastic player and one of my favorites. No need to belittle two other players who both had better games than chuck in order to defend your guy.
I'll leave it at this -- it's fine to defend chuck, but if you can't see that he quit in the third quarter, you should take off the O&B glasses. He a senior and a leader on this team -- he should act like it.
I'm sorry you have a thing for chuck, but his attitude was poor yesterday and it had to contribute to his drops. (again, I'm assuming he didn't have a temperature of 106 or some undisclosed injury). He sure looked healthy when he leaped to give a high five after an easy touchdown catch.
PJ and Omar are the two best players on our team. I'd put warren and Kory ahead of Chuck also, not that he isn't a fantastic player and one of my favorites. No need to belittle two other players who both had better games than chuck in order to defend your guy.
I'll leave it at this -- it's fine to defend chuck, but if you can't see that he quit in the third quarter, you should take off the O&B glasses. He a senior and a leader on this team -- he should act like it.
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sorry about the punctuation and about the emotion in the previous post. i do agree his attitude wasnt the best yesterday and no he shouldnt have given up. however i think to some extent we all felt beat. i saw someone post under a different topic how they taped the game but heard what happend and only watched the 1st half. i dont blame them for doing that b/c they knew the outcome. Chuckie could have had the game of his life yesterday and we still wouldnt have won. wouldnt that have made you a little lethargic?
4th & 13 on PU 32yd line.. 56,000 fans up on their feet screaming, i held my breath the entire play trying to make as little noise as possible.. wouldnt u know Sharon would make the biggest touchdown catch in the history of BG Football, FALCON UP!
I'm not so sure anyone on the offensive part of the ball quit per-say. It had to be frustrating knowing that if they didn't score, no if they didn't score a touchdown than we were down by 7 more points. Try playing with that pressure. I'm sure he was over thinking how to get in the end zone and that helped count for a few of the drops. And the whole kicking game thing, we had a kicker last year who was really really good. He was a sr. so he's gone, give Joe sometime just like you would any other new starter. Time to move on, 6 days till Ball State and a game that MATTERS!
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I'm not cutting on Calhoun. He had a great game against us. I just don't think he brings anything to the table that Ron Dayne or Anthony Davis didn't and they never performed against the two big boys from the Big 11, Michigan and Ohio State. Dayne ran for 10,000,000 on everyone else, but I believe he never cracked a 100 against the Bucks or Michigan. And I don't see Calhoun having a special year either. It's just me.
Speaking of Calhoun. Here's a question for everyone. Calhoun, started his career at Colorado. Past coaching relationships dictate a fairly strong relationship between Brandon and Coach Gary Barnett. Do you think that Brandon bothered to pick up the phone and ask his old buddy for a scouting report on Calhoun? Just curious . . .
Speaking of Calhoun. Here's a question for everyone. Calhoun, started his career at Colorado. Past coaching relationships dictate a fairly strong relationship between Brandon and Coach Gary Barnett. Do you think that Brandon bothered to pick up the phone and ask his old buddy for a scouting report on Calhoun? Just curious . . .
I don't think that phone call makes a bit of difference if he doesn't call an old buddy to get a scouting report on the offensive line. Calhoun wasn't the one stringing out the defense and opening holes all day, nor was he the one that couldn't wrap the ball-carrier up. Stanley seemed to do the same thing, though maybe not getting as far outside before hitting the hole. (We can just be glad none of our female fans made eye contact with him, who knows what he would have done!)OptionQB wrote: Do you think that Brandon bothered to pick up the phone and ask his old buddy for a scouting report on Calhoun? Just curious . . .
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As for the post calling Corey Partridge "Mr. Can't see the sidelines or the goalline", I don't get the sidelines reference, and about the only way he's getting in at the end there is if he's six inches taller. I think the kid played an outstanding game, especially for being in his first game, and at a difficult venue. I haven't watched the replay to break down every step he took in the game (nor will I, there's no need...), but I'd almost be willing to compare it with how Omar did in Oklahoma last year. You don't know what you're getting out of a player making his first college start (much less first college action anywhere!) and to come down with 160 yards, a TD and a nice play on the conversion, the kid deserves his props.
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If Option had an idea what he was talking about, he would know that Calhoun is a Wisconsin boy from Milwaukee, and he transfered to Wisconsin because Colorado wanted to switch him to WR!! Wisconsin was his second choice originally. Everyone knew he was a VERY good back, and we could have had 1000 phone calls to scout him and it would not have made a bit of difference.
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Factman, normally I'm behind you on this stuff, and I think more or less you are right--we just didn't have the horses to stop their running game. But, there is this quote from Coach Brandon, indicating maybe we underestimated their running game a little.
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Was their running game more than you expected?: "Yes, it was. My worst fear was realized because we couldn't stop them."
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Was their running game more than you expected?: "Yes, it was. My worst fear was realized because we couldn't stop them."
