BGSU FIGHT SONG ON WLW 700

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 1:13 pm

And I see the media changing the map colors from Blue to Red, did sooooo much good.

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:57 pm

Just setting everything up for Hillary and Bill to return to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Nothing more the Republicans can dig up on them that Ken Starr hasn't already wasted $40 million on and besides, with no Independent Counsel law, they can't investigate her anyway.

Guess this belongs in another forum, but who cares.

CapitalFalcon · Post by **CapitalFalcon** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 5:50 pm

It will be interesting when the 2008 campaign is the Senate campaign that never was, pitting Hilary "Carpetbagger" Rodham-Clinton against Rudy Giuliani.

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:09 pm

Hillary will run for the Senate in 2006 and then will do what the Republicans want her to do in '08 - Become the President!

You know that Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh are just waiting for 2008 to come along so they have eight more years of the Clinton's to get their ratings up!

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 10:40 pm

If Dubbbbbya wins then you can forward my mail to outside of Toronto. . .

Saw a sticker the other day "W stands for women. . . "

riiiight and UT stands for "utterly terrific. . . "

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:32 am

Dayons_Den wrote:If Dubbbbbya wins then you can forward my mail to outside of Toronto. . .

Saw a sticker the other day "W stands for women. . . "

riiiight and UT stands for "utterly terrific. . . "

Ever wonder why so many Canadiens move to the U.S. to live? Move to Toronto and you may just find out. If Kerry gets elected we'll be that much closer to a Canadien form of government and then the poor souls won't have anywhere else to go.

Being close to the hockey team I talk to Canadiens a lot. There aren't many of them that are truly happy with the way things are run up there.

As our good friend the Prime Minister of England said when asked about the job the U.S. government is doing: "I judge a country by how many people are trying to get into that country as compared to how many want to leave."

This isn't an exact quote but it's close enough.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:53 am

Dayons_Den wrote:If Dubbbbbya wins then you can forward my mail to outside of Toronto. . .

Saw a sticker the other day "W stands for women. . . "

riiiight and UT stands for "utterly terrific. . . "

DD, Maybe you and all the celebrities that promised to leave if Bush won the last election can all get a place together up there.

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:55 am

Nahhh screw the celebrities man, I mean Hollywood has no place in government. . . (Ronnie Reagan and Ahhhnold have proven that point.. . )

A lot of people try to get into frat parties, doesn't mean they are good.

So if I do move on up there I'll relax with cleaner air standards and oh yeah, healthcare. . .something I do not currently have because as a graduate student who lost his full time job I cannot afford it. Silly me, thinking that is a human right. . . .

John McCain has recently maid some interesting statements regarding President Bush. I guess the BUshies guerrilla tactics back in the primaries for the 2000 election are coming back to haunt him (stating McCain's adopted daughter was a love child from a prostitute and other such nonsens).

I have tried to restrain from politics as much as possible as the is a BG board, but it is soooo frustrating to me this election means so much and I can't sit idly by when people make nonsensical comments. I mean our current administration has done something to harm your demographic/job no matter what category you fall- you a conservative- well our national debt keeps climbing with all this spending- that is NOT what conservatives believe in, and it just goes on and on... ok i'll stop sorry.... We are all Falcons and that is a good thing, GO BG, and please vote and be informed, I"m not telling you how you should vote, but pleae please examine the facts, look at the trends and don;t rely on either candidates sappy commercials.

Go falcons!

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:02 am

Dayons_Den wrote:I guess the BUshies guerrilla tactics back in the primaries for the 2000 election are coming back to haunt him (stating McCain's adopted daughter was a love child from a prostitute and other such nonsens).

This really understates the depravity of what happened.

Bush hired a company to run push polls in South Carolina. They asked, first, "Who do you plan to vote for?" If the answer was Bush, they said thanks and concluded the call. .

If the answer was McCain, they asked something to this effect: "Would you be as likely to vote for McCain if you knew he fathered a black baby out of wedlock?)

Remember, this is South Carolina. Sen. Strom Thurmond lived 100 years without acknowledging his black baby. One can imagine the responses.

"Uh, gosh no!" is putting it mildly.

McCain's daughter is actually Bangladeshi, adopted from Mother Teresa's orphanage.

There was other stuff: Whisper campaigns that McCain was unfit to be president because he had gone crazy in North Vietnamese captivity. Awful stuff.

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:11 am

MotownFalcon wrote:It will be interesting when the 2008 campaign is the Senate campaign that never was, pitting Hilary "Carpetbagger" Rodham-Clinton against Rudy Giuliani.

Correction: "Carpetbagger" Rodham-Clinton vs. "Adulterer" Giuliani

P.S. If Hil is deemed "Carpetbagger" what do we call the honerable Alan Keyes? "Hypocrite" ?

P.P.S. as far as female presidents I thought "Carpetbagger" errr "Tarheel" Liddy Dole stood a good chance, wonder if she has anymore thoughts of running. . .

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 10:12 am

Dayons_Den wrote: So if I do move on up there I'll relax with cleaner air standards and oh yeah, healthcare. . .something I do not currently have because as a graduate student who lost his full time job I cannot afford it. Silly me, thinking that is a human right. . . .

Yeah Socialized healthcare has a wonderful track record

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:47 am

I think Kerry is hog-tied in several ways. He can't come out as pure anti-war, because he'd be rejected wholesale by most of the country and some of his party. He can't come out as pro-war because he'd be rejected by most of his party and some of the GOP. He can't play war hero because swiftboatvets.org aside, like my father, lots of vets look at Kerry like the Roman politicians of old, seeking to get a war victory so they could come home and leverage it politically. He can't play the pure peace-nic because he'd be rejected by most of the country and some of his own party.

Like the Dems, he's darned if he does, darned if he doesn't. He might have had a serious chance to win, but that time I think is gone, and he doesn't have enough time left to change his message without playing into W's hands as a flip-flopper.

The point is that he was a weak candidate and the Dem's were stuck with him like they were Clinton. The difference being Clinton won. Kerry has no avenue that gives him a clear advantage, or that protects him from being ripped for flip-flopping. The "base" of his own party is undergoing to much change in its basic nature to fall back on its old themes, but can't break down and truly embrace a true majority view without losing half of its present base.

People might not think W's perfect, but like '96, they would rather take an imperfect President than change and possibly make things worse. Plus the alternative isn't very appealing by comparison, as was part of Dole's issue in '96.

Oh, the Dems will rally to Kerry. If he could win, they'd expect him to pony-up the choice positions in the administration. Just as with Clinton. But there hasn't been much love for Kerry all year, and there isn't even now. Just a lot of Anybody-but-Bush people. The most impressive democrats, from a pure rhetorical and political standpoint, is the Ombama fella. I've listened to him and he is the sharpest personality and speaker I've seen on their side of things in many years.

None of that helps them now. And I don't think they have the means to truly break down and re-invent themselves. The GOP has done far better in getting its own conservative and Christian right to play according to the party script than the Dems have. 1992 and 1996 hurt enough to do that. I don't think the Dems have the same resolve in them. Worse still for them, Nader might be fading, but I suspect in the next four years, somebody far more dangerous to them will emerge. Somebody will smell opportunity and rally to it. The Dems won't have "we were robbed in 2000/beat Bush" drum anymore. The true bleeding hearts will do as they have done and are still doing. They'll rally to somebody that tells them what they want to hear explicitly.

As a party, their only hope is trying to build again from the congress, develop new talent. Play the foil. Give up trying to be the party from the 60s and 70s.

If the Dems go into denial for another four years, ignore their real internal issues, and Rudy gets into office in '08 watchout. The DNC won't see the white house again for at least 16 years, and won't have controlled the national agenda for 24 years. I'm not sure anything like that has happened in US history.

That is why I said nearly a year ago, the chance here isn't simply to beat the DNC, it is to shatter it as a party for decades. Those are/where the stakes/opportunities in this years race. It's not over yet, but it looks more and more like the DNC wasn't up to the challenge this year.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:31 pm

NWLB wrote:I think Kerry is hog-tied in several ways. He can't come out as pure anti-war, because he'd be rejected wholesale by most of the country and some of his party. He can't come out as pro-war because he'd be rejected by most of his party and some of the GOP.

A slim majority of Americans believe the war was a mistake.

A vast majority of Democrats believe the war was a mistake.

Neither of those numbers are going to shrink in the foreseeable future.

A challenge for Kerry is the fact that he voted to give Bush the authority to go to war. This is commonly interpreted as, simply, "voting to go to war."

But it isn't the same thing

A challenge for Kerry is drive home the point that, while he did want Bush to have all options available to him as he pushed for weapons inspections in Iraq, he did not agree with the decision -- ultimately, Bush's -- to go to war.

It's a nuanced argument. It doesn't fit on a yard sign. It doesn't really fit in a 30-second TV spot, either.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:40 pm

Hey, how about that the BG fight song? Well this is not the post that I was expecting to read.

Reading everyone comments, I find myself holding onto my independent status even more vigourously. In the past, I have seen some nasty verbal attacks from both parties and I fear this year will be no different. As evident by the wonderful commercials from the "Swift Boat Veterans" and "MoveOn.org". With that said, The comments here have been very civil. However, I want to join the discussion on a couple of points I've read in this thread.

NWLB wrote:He (John Kerry) might have had a serious chance to win, but that time I think is gone, and he doesn't have enough time left.

Thanks to Falconking, we can all see that Kerry has in fact closed the gap of 307 to 211 back on Sept. 17 to 256 to 239 electoral vote today on Sept 21. I don't know how accurate this is, the point is that polls are not accurate no matter who performs them. Not even Gallup, "the gold standard", that claims to be accurate to within some +/- value. The reason polls are not reliable is usually because there are usually a number of prequalifications for polls, i.e. the one I saw the other day was asking who people were going to vote for, and "W" had a large 11 point lead over Kerry. Impressive right, but wait, if you look in the fine print, only people who voted in the past three elections could participate in this "accurate and representative sample". Basically if you are under the age of something like 33.5 (3 elections = 12 years + 3.5 years to this election + 18 years old to vote) you could not participate and if you were over that age, you had to vote in the last three elections to be eligible. Ooops, count me out. My point is this, polls are just polls, they are simple graphical representations of some small usually biased sample that are used to simplify otherwise complex issues into a pie chart that "predicts the future".

NWLB wrote:People might not think W's perfect, but like '96, they would rather take an imperfect President than change and possibly make things worse.

I'm not trying to start a fight with you NWLB, I just found this point to be asinine. Of course "W" isn't perfect. I can't remember the last President that was perfect. Maybe you know one, but I think this was a dumb statement to make. Plus, what things are talking about when you say "make things worse." Has Bush made something bad.

Thomas Jefferson once said something to this effect, "Those who wish to be ignorant and want to free, wish for what never was and want for what never will be." Please, please, everyone educate yourself on the issues and vote based upon your beleifs and values, not along party lines. Because if we don't educate ourselves on the issues, then we have taken this first step toward being ignorant and it only takes another step to lose our freedoms.

Oh, and Go Falcons!

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 3:18 pm

hammb wrote:
Dayons_Den wrote: So if I do move on up there I'll relax with cleaner air standards and oh yeah, healthcare. . .something I do not currently have because as a graduate student who lost his full time job I cannot afford it. Silly me, thinking that is a human right. . . .
Yeah Socialized healthcare has a wonderful track record

You've got that right! Canada's system has been one huge failure. Unless you're dieing, you may as well forget about it.