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Ohio University Future Football Schedules

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Don't know if any of the Columbus area folks read the Dispatch on Friday, but there was an article about how OU is looking to change its OOC scheduling in the future.

Evidently Solich is not happy with the OOC schedule he has inherited and OU is looking to change some future opponents. Solich says going to Va. Tech and getting paid $150,000 (why $o little) to be slaughtered is not his idea of getting his team ready for MAC play.

They are actually looking at trying to get out of the final two games of the Va. Tech 2-for-1.

Instead OU wants to schedule a I-AA team to play at Athens and then look for a I-A school a little more like themselves academically - :lol: he :ROFL: specifically :lol: mentioned :ROFL: Duke :lol: and :ROFL: Vanderbilt! :lol:

Not sure what they put in his Wheaties, but OU is definitely no Vanderbilt or Duke.
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transfer2BGSU wrote:Evidently Solich is not happy with the OOC schedule he has inherited and OU is looking to change some future opponents. Solich says going to Va. Tech and getting paid $150,000 (why $o little) to be slaughtered is not his idea of getting his team ready for MAC play.

They are actually looking at trying to get out of the final two games of the Va. Tech 2-for-1.
I think you answered your own question.

Maybe someone really smart about college athletic departments like BGSU33 can weigh in.

If I had to guess, I'd guess the contract is effectively a home-and-home (with no guarantees either way) plus Virgnia Tech paying Ohio a $300,000 guarantee for the extra game. For cash flow reasons, perhaps they paid half upon the completion of the first game.
Not sure what they put in his Wheaties, but OU is definitely no Vanderbilt or Duke.[/color]
Sure. But Ohio aspires to that caliber, and those would be good, recognizable (if terrible) opponents to bring in. It isn't that stupid.
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Schad, you have it right. The cash flow situation is exactly what happened. Why not play out that contract and get VT in Peden? You think that would be pretty good for the program.
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Hey everyone,

Figure I may be able to clear some of this up. First of all, I'll agree with yall that OU is not at the caliber of Duke or Vandy academically, but the university has recently received alot of recognition for different aspects of acadamia and is gaining respect. Like previously mentioned, competition athletically with schools that we would like to be mentioned with academically cannot be a bad thing, right? Plus it doesn't hurt these schools are in the SEC and ACC respectively. Now, as for VT. Things starting stalling when it was proposed we shift the game from athens to washington dc. Apparently, there is alot of money on the table for us to do this, but it takes alot of money out of athens by moving the game. The contract is currently for 2-1, this year and 2007 at tech, and 2006 in athens. From my understanding, we have tried to drop the third game, and tech replied by trying to change the venue for the second game to the 'skins stadium in DC. I for one have mixed feelings about the news. I travelled to the tech game and saw a team that hung for the best part of the first half and then bowed to the obviously superior team. The second half was painful to watch. I think it is a positive in some respects to go up against teams like VT and to be exposed, and then learn from that exposure. But I think it also hurts to get physically and mentally beat as was the case. Personally, I'd like us to play a team from a BCS conf., and possibly 2 other mid majors, giving us a respectabe schedule and a chance to come out 3-0. Just my opinion. But I just wanted to post and try to fill in some of the gaps. We're not hiding from tough competition, but we're finding alot of positives w/ solich and we're trying to build a winning program. and ive seen talk of 1-AA's, but i really doubt that will happen. At least I hope it doesn't! Good luck against temple, I'm really looking forward to the game in 2 weeks.
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You know, this is an interesting conversation that I think "mid-major" teams and their fans need to start having. There has been a lot of pressure on "mid-majors" recently to schedule as many big games as possible and to totally stop scheduling DIAA schools because it makes us look bad. But, "major" programs schedule DIAA schools all of the time and they don't get a whole lot of flack about it (except from "mid-major" fans who call them pansies for not scheduling their schools). Look at Texas Tech's OOC schedule this year.

But, is it really doing "mid-majors" any good to go out and schedule the toughest opponents possible? I'm nearly convinced that because of the pressure to be competative nationally it isn't just about money, but about garnering respect for the program as well. Sure, schools like BGSU and the Turds have had some BCS OOC success, but especially for schools like OU who are trying to build their programs, what the hell is the point? That loss, especially given the Solich hype and the hype following the Pittsburgh win, looked bad - real bad. I realize it wasn't Ohio's fault, but what does the rest of the country think?

I guess this thread got me thinking about why we are playing these games? Are we playing them because we want the money, or are we playing them because we want to prove to the rest of the country that we too are DI programs and that the BCS isn't legitimate? If it is the former, well, then I guess we just accept most of the MAC, WAC, MWC, Sun Belt and ConvictUSA to remain totally non-competative in 2 or 3 games every season. But, what does this do to the conferences, especially if even a small part of playing this game is for the latter reason mentioned ni my previous statement? If the "big boys" can play DIAA schools and get away with it, why the hell can't "mid-majors."

I'm really too tired to be making a cogent argument at this time, but I think this is something that we need to be thinking about. I think that this line of thinking may already be setting in amongst our coaches given what Solich is saying about scheduling and what Brandon has said recently about potentially playing OSU next year. Anyhow, think, stew, call me names, whatever. I personally find this debate compelling, but, then again, I'm a total dweeb-bomb, so what do I know?
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To be honest I think no team in the MAC matches up well with VT. I think OU faired about as well as they could in that game. I watched on ESPNu and they hung tough as nails for a quarter and half. Yeah, they ended up losing 45-0 but they played good defense for 2 quarters. There are a lot of great teams that I think MAC teams can hang with but the ones like VT and the upper SEC teams that have incredible team speed on defense, we have no business playing. I doubt we will fair much better when we play VT (that is if we still play them in a couple years).
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Bleeding Orange wrote:I guess this thread got me thinking about why we are playing these games? Are we playing them because we want the money, or are we playing them because we want to prove to the rest of the country that we too are DI programs and that the BCS isn't legitimate?
I think it is important for us to play Big Ten teams (and similar caliber opponents) for several reasons. I think most Bowling Green fans like it. I think the players like it. The money is usually pretty good.

But, perhaps most importantly, it quietly sends a signal to our fans and emerging fans that we belong on the same field with these teams and expect to compete at this level (despite the pregame poor-mouthing our coaches tend to do to cover their butts).

Granted, the Falcons may not always play effectively on these fields. But by being on that field, it sends the signal that we expect to win our share of these games. (And, by God, we have won our share lately).

Thinking back to when I was a freshman at Bowling Green... there were probably two main cues that told me Bowling Green football was legitimate and worthy of me junking my previous allegance to Michigan:

1. The 1988 Miami game. We had a good crowd that day -- 20,000-plus -- and as the PA announcer was reading scores from the Big Ten and elsewhere across the country, it really felt like what was happening there at Doyt Perry Stadium was a legitimate part of the larger tapestry that is college football.

2. That winter, when I saw first hand that we routinely played Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Ohio State at BGSU Ice Arena -- and expected to win these hockey games. (Michigan and Michigan State were tough games, but we tended to split these series. Ohio State and Notre Dame were routinely humiliated at BGSU Ice Arena back then.).

One cue that was missing, incidentally: Matching up with the Big Ten in football. We didn't play a Big Ten team the whole time I was in college, and there had only been four meetings before I got there. The only national championship caliber programs we played in my four years were West Virginia and Texas Christian.

Much more so than today, Bowling Green and the MAC were locked in this strange nether world between divisions I-A and I-AA. Big Ten fans allowed us no respect at all. Unless you were there, it is hard to understand how far the MAC has come since then.

I think playing the Big Ten more often is part of that.

It hurts getting humbled by a Big Ten team. But the alternative is to be written off and have people assume we would be humbled -- which in some ways is an even more poisonous idea than actually seeing it happen.

Some of you young 'uns may also not appreciate what a big deal it was back in 1992 to land a game at Ohio State. The Buckeyes had not played another Ohio school since 1935. It was a foreign idea to many people that Bowling Green belonged on that field.

But ABC made it a regional telecast -- the first for the MAC in many years -- and the Falcons played very well that day (We outgained them, for instance; they beat us by intercepting Erik White four times, usually in the red zone). Overall, that game was a nice boost to our program.

Finally, it's worth pointing out that a Big Ten team has not truly humbled us in five years. We've done well in these games. I think they are worth playing.

What follows is a list of nonconference games we have played since 1970. I'm not sure it adds a whole lot to this post, but I was interested, so I looked it up:

1970: Utah State, Dayton, West Texas A&M, Marshall
1971: East Carolina, Marshall, Texas-Arlington, Xavier, Dayton
1972: Purdue, San Diego State, Marshall, Dayton, Tampa
1973: Syracuse, Dayton, Marshall, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois
1974: East Carolina, Dayton, Marshall, Arkansas State, Southern Mississippi, San Diego State
1975: Brigham Young, Southern Mississippi, Dayton, Southern Illinois, Texas-Arlington
1976: Syracuse, San Diego State, Southern Illinois, Tennessee-Chattanooga
1977: Grand Valley State, Iowa State, Tennessee-Chattanooga, Hawaii, Long Beach State
1978: Villanova, Grand Valley State, Southern Mississippi
1979: Iowa State, Kentucky, Southern Mississippi
1980: Richmond, Long Beach State, Kentucky
1981: Baylor, Michigan State
1982: Long Beach State, North Carolina
1983: Fresno State, Brigham Young
1984: Richmond, Oklahoma State
1985: Kentucky, Akron
1986: Minnesota, Washington
1987: Penn State, Youngstown State, Arizona
1988: West Virginia, Texas Christian, Youngstown State
1989: East Carolina, Akron, Tulsa
1990: Cincinnati, Virginia Tech
1991: West Virginia, Cincinnati, Navy
1992: Ohio State, Wisconsin, East Carolina
1993: Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Navy
1994: North Carolina State, Navy, Cincinnati
1995: Louisiana Tech, Missouri, Temple
1996: Alabama, Temple, Central Florida
1997: Louisiana Tech, Ohio State, Kansas State
1998: Missouri, Penn State, Central Florida
1999: Pittsburgh, Tennessee Tech, Central Florida
2000: Michigan, Pittsburgh, Temple
2001: Missouri, Temple, Northwestern
2002: Tennessee Tech, Missouri, Kansas, South Florida
2003: Eastern Kentucky, Purdue, Liberty, Ohio State
2004: Oklahoma, Southeast Missouri State, Temple
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A lot of valid points were made here...but I guess I look at it this way. For OU, a team trying to establish itself as legit, what is more important? Being competitive with OOC teams belonging to other midmajor conferences (WAC, Sunbelt, Conf USA, etc) or taking "money games" and getting beat badly? Personally, you say it helps a program to be on the big stage with the top 10 teams, but I think it hurts when the outcome is 45-0. Any potential recruits who didn't see the game and just see the score might immediately discount the program. Someone who watched the game might be very impressed with the first quarter and a half, but not many were granted that opportunity. It would be better to go 11-0 and win the conference than go 7-4 and get blown off the map 2 or 3x a year. Winning breeds confidence, and confidence in turn breeds more winning. By establishing a winning tradition, the program benefits far more than taking a big money game and getting destroyed. Again, this is my opinion for a school such as OU, who hasn't had much success as of late. Things might be alot different for BG who has been a visitor to the top 25 in recent years. Just my opinion, let me know what yall think.
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