Two concerns about the Temple game

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Two concerns about the Temple game

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Before I get criticized for such a post after a 70-7 win, just hear me out. :) First, I want to say despite Temple being a lowly opponent, it was awesome to see us excel in just about every single area of the game. We should have dominated and we did and that was great to see. Also, lost in the shuffle of all the great performances was Nate Fry. I loved seeing him make all of his extra points and he booted several kickoffs into the endzone for touchbacks! Great job Nate….I saw Coach Brandon running out onto the field to congratulate him several time too. The kicking game looked solid….keep it up.

My first concern is still with our running game. Although we just torched Temple through the air, we still struggled on the ground. This shouldn’t be the case against a weak defense, especially when you are killing them through the air as it usually opens up holes for the running game. Our most effective running was from our QB and WRs. Our running backs had a lot of trouble getting yardage on the ground. I’m not sure if it’s our offensive line have trouble opening holes, if our backs aren’t finding holes, or if teams are just doing a great job filling gaps…..or all of the above? But we have got to have better production from our RBs in the running game, starting with the Ohio game.

Second, I was hoping to see more than one pass attempt from Turner yesterday (which was intercepted when he was hit on the throw). I know when he entered the game we were already up like 56-7 and we had him out there to run the ball and take time off the clock and avoid turnovers, etc. But in my opinions, it’s games like this that I would like to see Turner get at least a few pass attempts under his belt. If we run the ball on first and second down in a game like this, fine, I would too. But when we have third and long, let him throw a pass to try and get a first down, and then run the ball the next two downs again. Because if he isn’t able to get more than one pass attempt when we are up 56, 63 and 70-7, when will he? These are the kinds of games he could get some real game experience and (knock on wood) if we ever need him to go out there, he’d at least have some passing experience. There is certainly the case that next season, he might be our starter. No offense to him, but I hope Omar is back, but this could certainly be the case. Again, I’m not saying Turner should have been gunning away yesterday, but I would like to have seen him throw at least four or five passes out there.

Otherwise, I loved everything else I saw! :lol:
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Re: Two concerns about the Temple game

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BGSU33 wrote:Before I get criticized for such a post after a 70-7 win, just hear me out. :) First, I want to say despite Temple being a lowly opponent, it was awesome to see us excel in just about every single area of the game. We should have dominated and we did and that was great to see. Also, lost in the shuffle of all the great performances was Nate Fry. I loved seeing him make all of his extra points and he booted several kickoffs into the endzone for touchbacks! Great job Nate….I saw Coach Brandon running out onto the field to congratulate him several time too. The kicking game looked solid….keep it up.

My first concern is still with our running game. Although we just torched Temple through the air, we still struggled on the ground. This shouldn’t be the case against a weak defense, especially when you are killing them through the air as it usually opens up holes for the running game. Our most effective running was from our QB and WRs. Our running backs had a lot of trouble getting yardage on the ground. I’m not sure if it’s our offensive line have trouble opening holes, if our backs aren’t finding holes, or if teams are just doing a great job filling gaps…..or all of the above? But we have got to have better production from our RBs in the running game, starting with the Ohio game.

Second, I was hoping to see more than one pass attempt from Turner yesterday (which was intercepted when he was hit on the throw). I know when he entered the game we were already up like 56-7 and we had him out there to run the ball and take time off the clock and avoid turnovers, etc. But in my opinions, it’s games like this that I would like to see Turner get at least a few pass attempts under his belt. If we run the ball on first and second down in a game like this, fine, I would too. But when we have third and long, let him throw a pass to try and get a first down, and then run the ball the next two downs again. Because if he isn’t able to get more than one pass attempt when we are up 56, 63 and 70-7, when will he? These are the kinds of games he could get some real game experience and (knock on wood) if we ever need him to go out there, he’d at least have some passing experience. There is certainly the case that next season, he might be our starter. No offense to him, but I hope Omar is back, but this could certainly be the case. Again, I’m not saying Turner should have been gunning away yesterday, but I would like to have seen him throw at least four or five passes out there.

Otherwise, I loved everything else I saw! :lol:
Totally all excellent points. I wonder why a 5th year senior Derrick Lett is getting more time with Partridte having shoulder problems. He is one of the fastest receivers supposedly. Unless his hands just aren't good enough. Yes, the running game, or lack of it. Not good against this Temple defense. I'm wondering if our O-line is not taught run blocking schemes well. We have the size but why are we not better at running the ball. This very bizzare to me. We still gave up 153 yards rushing but I guess for us that is considered success if we dont' let up more than 200yds rushing. :roll:
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I was so excited when I saw Turner take over. I wanted to see him run the normal offense and get some good PT.

But then came the disappointment of watching him run the ball constantly. Granted Anthony is a very good runner, but I want to see some passes also. Look at Toledo, if that happened here I would want Anthony to have had some game experience running our offense. Granted it was a blow out and we were trying to run clock to end the game, But as stated above, let him throw on 3rd to try and pick it up.

I think our running game will get better, PJ is still banged up and our offensive line is coming around. It will be there, just be patient.
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Glad to know I'm not alone with those points, I figured I wasn't. Like I said, I'm not complaining about the game after a 70-7 win. I was just concerned about the running game and why Turner didn't get some pass attempts in what could have been a perfect chance to do so.
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BGSU33 wrote:Glad to know I'm not alone with those points, I figured I wasn't. Like I said, I'm not complaining about the game after a 70-7 win. I was just concerned about the running game and why Turner didn't get some pass attempts in what could have been a perfect chance to do so.
Perhaps we didn't want to awaken the cheap-shot instinct within the Temple players.

Also I believe 87 posted something about Temple wanting to stop the run. I have no problems with abandoning the running game if the opponents are giving you the pass all day long. Temple sold out to stop the run and they did -- congratulations Temple, you lost by 63.

I understand where you're coming from, but there isn't much team analysis to cull from this game. It was over after 15 minutes.

This team was pissed, and they took it out on the first team they saw. That was unfortunate for a poor Temple team.
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I too would've liked to have seen Turner run the offense and get to pass the ball a few times. The first time he came in (other than when Omar was at a wideout), we had a short field after the fumble and penalty halfway through the 3rd quarter. We drove 15 yards for the score and Turner got picked off the next series. Then we scored on the int and the punt and we're up 70-7 the next time the offense was on the field. Probably would've looked like we were running it up if we threw at that point. We had a third & long on that next series and Turner ran the option for a first. We had one more third down in the series and Temple totally sold out on the option. That was the one play we maybe could've/should've thrown.

We flat out need to run the ball better. You can point to the fact that Pope hasn't been healthy or that we have 3 new starters on the o-line, but we have to find a way to run the ball better. We obviously are able to spread the defense, but with our o-linemen in two point stances we're not able to get quite the push or leverage on the d-linemen. As far as the comment that our o-linemen are not being taught proper blocking schemes, get a clue. The success of our running game depends on a healthy PJ and the maturation/cohesiveness of the o-line.
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my main concern is the lack of security...everyone was going down onto the field after the game...no wonder "bigger" schools don't want to come play us, their players aren't safe
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What goes around often times comes around. You aren't seeing Gregg Brandon throw on anyone when he's up 56-7. I wasn't suprised to see us ground it out at that point, nor was I too disappointed. I'd rather win with class than build the stat line or kick another team when they're obviously down.

Re the running game, the offense took what Temple gave them. The offense was able to build a big enough lead to call it a game before half time by passing the ball efficiently. It's not like we forced the passing game, the opportunity to move the ball via the air was too easy to pass up.

Blow outs like this one aren't always the best yardstick to judge a unit's performance anyway. Thing get distorted too easily whn only one team shows up to play.
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BGSUVA wrote:my main concern is the lack of security...everyone was going down onto the field after the game...no wonder "bigger" schools don't want to come play us, their players aren't safe
Ehh...give it another game or two. You'll get over it.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:Also I believe 87 posted something about Temple wanting to stop the run. I have no problems with abandoning the running game if the opponents are giving you the pass all day long. Temple sold out to stop the run and they did -- congratulations Temple, you lost by 63.
Exactly. I watched the tape of the game (twice :D ) and the announcers pointed out that Temple rarely went with nickel or dime packages, because they simply didn't have the personnel. Remember, they lost a dozen or so players before the season started. So instead of having a dime back covering a very good BG receiver, you had a linebacker. On several plays, even the defensive ends were sliding into coverage. Our running game, like our passing game, thrives on mismatches. Temple played their base defense almost the whole game and the mismatches were with the wideouts.

Also, the absolute strength of the Owl defense is the defensive line. I know, I know, you're saying - yeah, the strength of a poor defense. Well, true, but Mendenhall was an all Big East end and the others are solid, too. The problem, defensively is behind them.
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Don't worry about Turner. If anyone has seen him throw like in the scrimmages and the Brown/Orange game than you know he can play. If he would have thrown one pass in a game like yesterdays' game than we don't have any business being on the field. If it were baseball than we would be thrown at. I wonder why Temple didn't score any points in the 4th quarter against our back ups since some posters around here say it's so easy to do like us against Boise? By the way Oklahoma State, East Carolina, and Vanderbilt all scored under 15 points in their home games yesterday and lost. How's that Boise game sound now? (20 points and 220 yards passing) Not too bad for our worst offensive output in years supposedly.
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Actually, Turner did throw a pass in yesterday's game and it was intercepted. Again, I'm not saying he should have been out there firing the ball downfield. time and time again. But to have him attempt four or five passes for 7-10 yards over the last quarter and a half, say when facing third down, wouldn't be considered an attempt to run up the score by any means.
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I don't think the security after the game is a big problem at all....it was virtually all kids and parents/family of players.
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BGSUVA wrote:my main concern is the lack of security...everyone was going down onto the field after the game...no wonder "bigger" schools don't want to come play us, their players aren't safe
BGSUVA, I disagree. It is a family atmosphere after the game. The kids are down there playing ball, the parents and girlfriends are talking to the players, and everyone is celebrating. When we have won MONSTER games, there isn't the big police scare or goalposts coming down, because we are used to celebrating after the game.

Did you see anyone down on Temple's end of the field causing any problems? No, they were celebrating with their own team.

As was said, you'll get used to it. Join in- it's fun!
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always a falcon wrote:
BGSUVA wrote:my main concern is the lack of security...everyone was going down onto the field after the game...no wonder "bigger" schools don't want to come play us, their players aren't safe
BGSUVA, I disagree. It is a family atmosphere after the game. The kids are down there playing ball, the parents and girlfriends are talking to the players, and everyone is celebrating. When we have won MONSTER games, there isn't the big police scare or goalposts coming down, because we are used to celebrating after the game.

Did you see anyone down on Temple's end of the field causing any problems? No, they were celebrating with their own team.

As was said, you'll get used to it. Join in- it's fun!
I have to say that my only disappointment with the BG games we've attended away from the Doyt was not being able to get on the field after the game. As always a falcon points out, it's definitely a family atmosphere after the game and I, for one, get a charge out of watching Noah walk amongst the giants as they prepare for the AZZ ritual.

Two of my favorite moments from last year's WMU post-game were ... Brandon giving Freak a hug and saying "Thanks, Freak" and Devon Parks patting me on the back and saying, "Hey, nice number."

BG football is all about family. I met Drew Nystrom's dad after the 2004 Temple game and he said that was the deciding factor for choosing BG - it just felt like family. I think what happens on the field after the game is part of that.
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