Surnames off of jerseys

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:31 pm

I played on teams that had them, played for teams that did not, played for teams where had them for home but not away. Not in one instance did I forget who I was or the name of the guy beside me...take um or leave them...
i personally believe a plain Brown jersy and a plain orange one is all they need with no MAc badage, no Falcon logo maybe not even a number.
But it matters not, has no effect on play.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 8:34 pm

BelieveNBG wrote:I simply believe this teaches absolutely no lessons. They are not a bunch of 5 year olds. I've seen teams do this, but it never makes a difference.

I'm with Flip on this one. Perhaps you've heard of a team called the Patriots? They've won an assload of superbowls by employing a team-first attitude along with symbols of said attitude. They come out of the tunnel as a team. If coaches like the Patriots have had and players of the caliber the Patriots have had believe in such techniques, I see no reason why we shouldn't follow suit.

The Patriots are much more mature and knowledgeable men and they seem to play better as a result so I don't see why it can't help a bunch of 20 year old kids care more about the team than themselves. Winning football teams are a family. If this helps this group of kids become a family, I'm all for it.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:06 pm

The bottom line is that the Patriots are good and talented. I also don't believe our team lost to Boise or Wisconsin because individuals were out for themselves. You can see it in the team. They have always shown a unified front. Yesterdays big win over Temple was pure and simple frustration and not some new "team" concept. I just want the coaches to concentrate on coaching. Those guys don't need some hokie motivation. Losing to Boise in that manner was motivation enough.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:12 pm

BelieveNBG wrote:The bottom line is that the Patriots are good and talented. I also don't believe our team lost to Boise or Wisconsin because individuals were out for themselves. You can see it in the team. They have always shown a unified front. Yesterdays big win over Temple was pure and simple frustration and not some new "team" concept. I just want the coaches to concentrate on coaching. Those guys don't need some hokie motivation. Losing to Boise in that manner was motivation enough.

I'm not saying that we played so well yesterday simple because of the jersey's...but there's no reason to knock Brandon or the players for trying some motivational tools out. Do we really believe that making the decision to take the names off the back interfered with the gameplanning at all? Where's the harm in trying to motivate college kids?

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:32 pm

I don't know if they always have shown a unified front. When you have guys blowing containment because they want to get upfield and chase the QB, isn't that an example of an individual putting himself before the team? When you have a QB forcing balls into tiny openings with limited success rather than just making the easier throw to the open guy, I think that's an example of a guy taking too much from the team.

Additionally, when you have a couple of tough losses early, it's awfully easy to start pointing fingers. I think it was a very smart coaching move to take a step towards pulling the team together before any of that kind of crap had a chance to start to dividing the team.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:28 pm

I think its a little corny, and sometimes stuff like that works.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:37 pm

Flipper wrote:Disagree...sometimes it's the small, symbolic steps you take that remind people of the importance of working together for the better of the team.

I hope the Seniors vote to keep them off....it will send a very positive message to the underclassmen about the importance of self sacrifice.

So far as the fans go...who cares? Study the roster and learn the numbers.
Besides, I come to the Doyt to watch football. If I wanted to read, I'd go to the library

BTW, where is the library? I was at BG from 86-90 and heard of this "famed building"? Could someone please point it out?

And for the names not on the jerseys? I don't care either way. Just win games.

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:26 am

When you have a QB forcing balls into tiny openings with limited success rather than just making the easier throw to the open guy, I think that's an example of a guy taking too much from the team.

OK...so now Omar is not a team player....pulease...and taking his name off his jersey taught him to throw the easier pass to the open guy.

FliccGirl · Post by **FliccGirl** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:29 am

Haven't you ever had a symbol that reminded you of something important? The symbol doesn't TEACH you the lesson. It's there as a reminder of what you already know, but might have stopped focusing on.

What makes you so vehemently opposed to it anyway?

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:38 am

BelieveNBG wrote:
When you have a QB forcing balls into tiny openings with limited success rather than just making the easier throw to the open guy, I think that's an example of a guy taking too much from the team.

OK...so now Omar is not a team player....pulease...and taking his name off his jersey taught him to throw the easier pass to the open guy.

I could crytallize the thoughts I've already expressed to you on this topic into a nail that I could then drive directly into your brain and I still don't think you'd understand....The coaches and apparently the team saw the season heading in a direction they didn't like, so they devised a simple symbolic gesture to engender a spirit of unity and sacrifice.

What on earth are you so disturbed about?

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:52 am

Flipper wrote:
BelieveNBG wrote:
When you have a QB forcing balls into tiny openings with limited success rather than just making the easier throw to the open guy, I think that's an example of a guy taking too much from the team.

OK...so now Omar is not a team player....pulease...and taking his name off his jersey taught him to throw the easier pass to the open guy.
I could crytallize the thoughts I've already expressed to you on this topic into a nail that I could then drive directly into your brain and I still don't think you'd understand....The coaches and apparently the team saw the season heading in a direction they didn't like, so they devised a simple symbolic gesture to engender a spirit of unity and sacrifice.

What on earth are you so disturbed about?

Flipper, I think it may be [sarcasm] the fact that our athletic department and coaches do little to anything at all right... [/sarcasm]

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:09 am

Just because I don't agree that does not mean I don't understand your view. I just simply don't agree that it changes things one bit. Names or no names, it won't make a difference in our outcome. Meyer was a huge fan of no names and he still never won the big ones here at BG. He still never won the MAC. He still did not win at UT. I saw alot more "me" and not "we" when Meyer was here. Also, this was not something the players requested, but something that Brandon requested. I just prefer he put more energy into a game plan.

I like the names. I hate watching teams that I am not familiar with and not knowing who the players are. The announcers screw up enough without me tyring to guess (BJ or PJ, Steve Sharon, Omar Johnson, etc.) I for one believe that it helps for some fans to be able to identify the players. It's easy if you are in tune with the team because of being a huge fan, but if you are someone tryingt to get more involved with the team because you heard they are a "must see", it's nice to know who you are watching and not have to continue asking the folks around you who is number 10...who is number 15...can I see your book?

In the end, I am entitled to have an opinion unique from yours.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 1:30 am

No...I don't think you do understand. It's NOT the names. It's the act of NOT WEARING the names. It's the act of GIVING THEM UP that is supposed to be the point.

Now, if I were really interested in depriving you of your right to express your opinion, I would simply edit your posts to reflect a complete agreement with everything I've said.

But that would be wrong and frankly, too much work.

At any rate, I've said all I'm gonna say on thsi topic....

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:18 am

I completely understand that acts are sometimes taken in an effort to motivate players (like players deciding to shave their heads to show team cohesiveness), but I do not believe that this particular act had a real affect on this team. I believe the biggest affect on this team and motivation was getting whipped by Boise. I believe they were embarrassed and upset and were very motivated to come out and set the record straight with all of the naysayers. I believe the defensive unit was motivated by the mere fact that they were ranked in the bottom 10. I believe the offense was motivated by the mere fact that they had 6 yards in one entire quarter. Things like promoting unity work when teams start show boating and bragging and displaying over confidence. That whipping by Boise took any possible show boating out of this team and being over confident got zapped too. Maybe had this been done before the Boise game when guys were a little cocky, it may have made a difference and had them focused and poised for the game, but in this case...that focus and poise had already been set in place due to a hard case of reality.

(Excuse me for believing this was a free for all forum.) I have seen the rudest things said on this site and because I choose to disagree about removing names that seems to be a problem. I simply don't think it had any affect on the mental state of this team. Sometimes you just agree to disagree...it's not about insults on ones intelligence.

BGFan · Post by **BGFan** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:29 am

I seem to remember a certain running back from OSWho that wore his jersey backwards during an interview so that everyone would remember his name.

I can't quite remember who it was

but I think that he felt it was important for the world to see his name on the back of his jersey.

I say leave them off....particularlly with the upcoming tv games. Deflate the egos and inflate the team concept.