Just a thought on the botched kick return

MACMAN · Post by **MACMAN** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:48 pm

I have and did not have any issue with the return. i do have issue with the seriously flawed punt formation our spec teams are runing...it is weak, and other teams know it.....why fix it since it was not broken...it is has only proven to be more of a risk than benifit to every team that has used it.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:53 pm

From Brandon's mouth on special teams.

Q: The special teams weren't so special Saturday.

Gregg Brandon: No. We struggled. The first punt that was tipped, our protectors were not close enough to the line of scrimmage. That's a detail thing, that's a coaching thing, and we've got to do a better job of that. And, Nate (Fry) took too many steps. He can't climb up those guys' (blockers') backs, or they (opponents) will jump over and block the punt. On the second one, (returned) for the touchdown, we had everyone accounted for, but we did not block one of the guys that we were supposed to block. So, it was not a scheme problem, it was an execution problem, or lack thereof. On the kickoffs, we have been inconsistent covering kicks all year because we have been inconsistent at kicker. The one they popped across midfield on us was supposed to be a sky left, and it ended up outside the right hash. So, we had three guys over there covering, and that was a problem. We've just got to keep working through those issues. The kickoff return, on the bloop kick (recovered by Ohio), just kind of got caught up in the wind, and the same thing happened to them. We struggled to handle that. On the opening play, we were trying to set up a reverse and it backfired. ... We've just got to do a better job.

http://bgsufalcons.collegesports.com/sp ... 05aaf.html

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:01 pm

factman wrote:OK.......here is the scoop. We botched it intentionally, so teams have to prepare for all different kinds of variations from it, to the extent that our normal, return will work like a clock and we will score TD's against Toledo on returns. It was the only way we could do it unless we just cut out a portion of the film (ie UT vs EMU) so we did it this way!!!

And that first touchdown pass -- Omar to Sharon to Sanders -- was drawn up that way.

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Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:06 pm

hammb wrote:I only see the need if you are inferior talentwise

I could not agree more. Superior teams just use their talent to win. Inferior teams have to trick the superior team to try to get an agvantage.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:10 pm

UK Peregrine wrote:On the second one, (returned) for the touchdown, we had everyone accounted for, but we did not block one of the guys that we were supposed to block. So, it was not a scheme problem, it was an execution problem, or lack thereof.

Does our coach watch the films? I would bet there was at least four OU guys in position to block/recover that punt.

It looks like he is making an excuse for each punt team problem. Can't he see the bigger picture that the whole alignment is screwed and that causes the other problems?

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:14 pm

Warthog wrote:
hammb wrote:I only see the need if you are inferior talentwise
I could not agree more. Superior teams just use their talent to win. Inferior teams have to trick the superior team to try to get an agvantage.

I couldn't disagree more. Gadget plays are great ways to create instant momentum (in this case bad). Like I said early, if the play had worked, Ohio would have the wind taken from its sail and the game could've been over before the first quarter ended. Using superior talent to win is great, but certainly takes longer.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:26 pm

Maybe I overstated my opinion. Superior teams do not need to try gadget plays on special teams. They are incredibly high risk, and are rarely successful.

Offenses are welcome to throw in a 'trick' play at any time. That is usually something you set up through the game. Keep running a play, and that use that same action to pull the defense in and then reverse/throw deep instead of short/WR pass back to the QB (Magner special

). Those all fine at the appropriate time. Running a goof ball, high risk play on the opening kickoff was just stupid. IMO

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:08 pm

1987alum wrote:"It's nice to be nice to the nice."

Name that classic TV show and character!

M*A*S*H and Major Frank "Ferret Face" Burns made the comment to LTC Henry Blake's little hot -to-trot fling who was an OSU cheerleader and came on to Hawkeye (OK, so I spend too much time watching M*A*S*H)

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:17 pm

transfer2BGSU wrote:
1987alum wrote:"It's nice to be nice to the nice."

Name that classic TV show and character!
M*A*S*H and Major Frank "Ferret Face" Burns made the comment to LTC Henry Blake's little hot -to-trot fling who was an OSU cheerleader and came on to Hawkeye (OK, so I spend too much time watching M*A*S*H)

You are Da Man!

FWIW, we have all the available M*A*S*H seasons on DVD and watch them regularly.

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:23 pm

Backup quarterback Anthony Turner got hit in the back on special teams on Saturday, which concerned Brandon. Brandon would not rule out Turner continuing to play on the unit …

From today's Blade article. . .

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:25 pm

With our offense just get us the ball...period. I don't care what yard line. Get it into the hands of Omar and let the offensive show explode! No trickery needed!