Third bowl game REALLY in the works for the MAC

[1987alum]

MACMAN:

Here's another perspective. I honestly could care less about the whole National Champion thing. A playoff holds little to no interest for me.

You know what I like about bowl season? It's fun. Does it "mean" anything in the grand scheme of things? No, not really. But let me tell you something, I wouldn't trade the last two BG bowl experiences for anything. Heck, as painful as it was to be in Fresno for the 1985 beating we suffered, I'm glad I was there.

If another bowl is created that gives a team that had a good season a chance to celebrate something, I say let's do it. It's fun for the fans. It's fun for the coaches. It's fun for the players. It's FUN and fun should at least be part of the equation here.

The MAC and MAC schools don't get rich from their bowls. But they do get some national exposure, which is good. And the hidden bonus for teams that make bowl games, even "meaningless" bowls, is that they get extra practice time.

Playoffs will never happen as long as fans of the game dont get it.

Then I hope we never "get it." Like I hope I never get a fatal disease.

Not getting it, is not understanding that in order to achieve a real contest for a National Championship, the bowl system as we know it must be totaly dismantled

Perhaps we "fans of the game" don't give two hoots about a National Championship. I don't.

or that this bowl game would have any more meaning than fund raising...money that will be well spent mind you on MAC sports, but it does nothing to elevate the MAC programs, and that is getting it.

The arrogance of this sentence is difficult to bear. Again, not all of us want the "it" you describe.

and if you were a true fan of sport and the Athlets who play them you would demand a playoff system

I'll do a Google search later, but I don't recall hearing that you alone determine who is and who is not a "true fan." If by true you mean arrogant and narrow-minded, then you and the other "true fans" can enjoy the rarified air of your exclusive club. I'll just enjoy trips to Detriot, Mobile and whatever other city hosts what you and your cronies have deemend "meaningless" bowls.

[BourbonFalcon]

I understand having a critical approach to things in college football, but how can you not be excited for a possible bowl in Toronto if you're a BG fan! Toronto is a really fun town, and it's relatively close. If I had a choice, I'd make it so that all the MAC bowl games were in the gerneral region so that way we could go to them. Being poor it's tough to go to the GMAC Bowl. I think having duel bowls in Detroit and Toronto doesn't really have a down side. Most of the bowl games are out West and in the South. Why not let all of the country (and Canada ) have access to post season NCAA Football? Besides, the trip sounds like a fun time if you take a bunch of underclassman girls!!

[MACMAN]

I disagree with you, and see you as key to the problem in creating one of two systems, a true bowl match up system free from the title elctoral National Champion and two one where players get to decied who is better on the field. Your not wanting to allow players the chance have fun by actually competing for a national championship is very pop warner, and dont feel badly or take it personally as you can continue being the problem, it is your right. I can not deny that there are a lot of very godd folks like you helping the BCS perpetuate this fraud, its ok. I know that those of us who want to crown a true champion may never see the day as the current discriminator monopoly system has so few of the people who count willing to stand up and say, that College sports are about college athlets competing and fighting for a win. For the BCS its about the money in D1, exploiting college athlets and has been for a long time and keeping that money and those few exclusive programs on top, free from the parity and fairness that should be predominat, esp in an NCAA PC world.
I am arrogant. I am a competitor, I have never met another competitor who was not. I was never afraid to put it all on the line every time I competed in sports, and in life. That arrogance is with me to this day, I will fight to win, i love winners, and applaud losser for fight for a chance to win...but my god are so NCAA PC that you think there are no losers in College football and cannot see taht on this current track of Bowl mania that we might not just be better off adding yet another game for all the teams, becasue that is where it is now...

[1987alum]

I disagree with you, and see you as key to the problem in creating one of two systems, a true bowl match up system free from the title elctoral National Champion and two one where players get to decied who is better on the field.

Feel free to disagree with me, that's just fine. I don't think the crowning of a "true" national champion is all that big of a deal, frankly.

Your not wanting to allow players the chance have fun by actually competing for a national championship ...

Are saying the players can't have fun unless they are competing for a national championship? If so, that goes down as one of the top five most ludicrous things I have ever read ... and that's saying something.

... is very pop warner and dont feel badly or take it personally

No offense taken, since you're not making an argument that's coherent and intelligent enough to be worthy of me taking it as an insult.

as you have can continue being the problem.

Again, I don't see a problem.

I can not deny that there are a lot ofvery godd folks like you helping the BCS perpetuate this fraud, its ok.

I don't care about the BCS or the fraud you allege they are perpetrating. I am not helping them either tacitly or actively.

I know that those of us who want to crow a true champion may never see the day as the current discriminator monopoly system has no one willing to stand up and say, that College sports are about college athlets competing and fighting for a win. ....its about the money in D1 and has been for a long time and keeping that money and those few exclusive programs on top, free from the parity and fairness that should be predominat, esp in an NCAA PC world

I think there's a reasonable statement in there somewhere, but I can't quite filter it out.

I am arrogant I am a competitor, I was never afraid to put it all on the line every time I competed in sports.

While I don't consider myself arrogant I do consider myself a competitor also. I "left it all on the field" or court whenever I competed in any athletic competition. Confidence is admirable. Arrogance is a sign of psychological weakness. Your call there.

That arrogance is with me to this day, I will fight to win, i love winners, and applaud losser for fight for a chance to win...but my god are so NCAA PC that you think there are no losers in College football and cannot see taht on this current track of Bowl mania that we might not just be better off adding yet another game for all the teams, becasue that is where it is now...

Again, there may be another reasonable point in there, but I can't filter it out. If I'm reading it correctly, here's a stab at a reaction ...

As stated, arrogance is a psychological weakness.
Fighting to win is admirable and the sign of a true competitor.
I love winners, too and gladly applaud losers if they give it their all to win.
It's at this point that the above paragraph eclipses my reading comprehension skills.

[transfer2BGSU]

In the end I would prefer something easy to travel to....Detroit. This is based on traveling all the way to the Gulf Coast last December. But is rational to expect that many found that to be a great junket and want to repeat, or for those who missed last year and want to go this time.

I would prefer that the team be rewarded for a great season and have the opportunity for a real bowl experience.

They got that last year with the GMAC Bowl. Since Detroit is only an hour or so away, I'm not sure many of them feel they got a bowl experience with the Motor City Bowl.

I think the Toronto game is great (as a fan). Not sure if the players feel the same. Maybe Spart43 can give us some idea as to what a certain player thinks.

[MACMAN]

LMAO
I must be very weak then, i must be
your to funny

[1987alum]

LMAO
I must be very weak then, i must be
your to funny

Well, understanding the problem is the first step to recovery.

[MACMAN]

In the end I would prefer something easy to travel to....Detroit. This is based on traveling all the way to the Gulf Coast last December. But is rational to expect that many found that to be a great junket and want to repeat, or for those who missed last year and want to go this time.

I would prefer that the team be rewarded for a great season and have the opportunity for a real bowl experience.

They got that last year with the GMAC Bowl. Since Detroit is only an hour or so away, I'm not sure many of them feel they got a bowl experience with the Motor City Bowl.

I think the Toronto game is great (as a fan). Not sure if the players feel the same. Maybe Spart43 can give us some idea as to what a certain player thinks.

I think your dead on here. Under the old Bowl system bowls were a reward for great season and a chance to the best from various confrences play against each other at a set venue. Any more schools that are 6-5 6-6 7-4 etc are going becasue as we will see this year posible with M becasue they draw a crowd, and that is not right. A movement back to fewer bowls where it showcases great teams would be an improvement over the insult that is here now.
i also you think your right about the bowl experience....but will say that the motor city bowl has more potential.

[MACMAN]

LMAO
I must be very weak then, i must be
your to funny

Well, understanding the problem is the first step to recovery.

I am happy your going to do something about your problem I am here for you as get on your way.

[1987alum]

LMAO
I must be very weak then, i must be
your to funny

Well, understanding the problem is the first step to recovery.

I am happy your going to do something about your problem I am here for you as get on your way.

Ah yes, projection. A sign that you have a long road to recovery. Good luck with that. 8)

[hammb]

It's pretty clear there's a division in this with how you feel on the whole scheme of things.

Personally, I'm a proponent of a system where all conference champions get into a tournament, similar to March Madness. Where '87 says the bowl season is fun, I find the NCAA Hoops tourney MUCH more enjoyable than the bowl season. With the bowls I watch the ones that are teams I like or matchups that I feel would be enjoyable, but with the tournament I watch every game that's on (always use vacation days for the first round of the tourney).

To me there are plenty of bowls, but the proper teams are not currently getting to play in them. Even if they were in the end they don't mean anything to me. To many, '87 included, they are a great time and a reward to a football team. To me they are meaningless. Sure I went to the MCB, and would again, and I root for BG to win, but in the end these bowl games are meaningless. Heck they're the punchline of jokes for fans of larger schools. I would gladly scrap the entire bowl system for a playoff that got us a true national champion, so long as all conference champs were given a spot in the tourney.

We'll probably never see a full fledged playoff like I want to see. There are many people like '87 that prefer the bowl system. It's simply a difference of opinion that is not likely to change. We've had the bowl-playoff debate, and I think that's pretty much what this will boil down to. Bowl lovers will say this is excellent for the MAC. Playoff people see it as a neutral step at best.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, I think.

[1987alum]

hammb:

I can understand that perspective. I guess I just don't see the current bowl system as a pandemic that is undermining all of college athletics. It's just not that apocalyptic.

I can understand the desire to crown a "true" national champion but, again, just don't think it's a matter of life or death. My biggest concern with the playoff you describe is that it would overcompensate for the perceived deluge of bowls. In short, so many teams would be excluded from having a reasonable hope for playing beyond the regular season that it becomes meaningless to most, especially if we're only talking about conference champions.

Perhaps there is a middle ground, a way that a playoff system could co-exist with a smattering of post-season bowls. I dunno.

But you're right, we'll just have to agree to disagree for now.

[bg8492]

So go ahead support the fund raising effort of another bowl but dont celebrate it as if the holiday bowl just droped a 600 team for the MAc Champions, or that this bowl game would have any more meaning than fund raising...money that will be well spent mind you on MAC sports, but it does nothing to elevate the MAC programs, and that is getting it..

ALL bowl games are played to "raise funds"...

Only one has meaning...and that's debatable. The rest are just fun to watch and, I would guess, play in.

Face it, most teams playing in bowl games don't have a chance at a NC. So why penalize your 8-3, 10-2 teams by forcing a playoff system that will be as flawed as the current BCS?

[Falcon52]

Again, there is no such thing as a meaningless bowl. It may be meaningless to you, but it means something to the players and those schools.

Besides if it's college football and it's on TV it brings great meaning to my couch and I.

MACMAN - I was wrong 35 is old!

Bowls and a playoff system are 2 different issues. If you want, have a 4 team playoff. I don't care. Anyone below the top 4 probably doesn't desirve the National Title anyway. I do not believe in a playoff system for football. That doesn't mean I believe in the BCS. Bowl games are a tradition from the begining of football time. It's a part of football. How do you think all those little trophy type traditions got started. Peace Pipe, Brown Jug etc. Those were like mini bowl games back then.

If BG qualifies for a bowl at 6-5 and gets to play a team that I don't normally get to see them play. I'm going! It's fun. I'll be proud and I will be a Falcon! (Ay-Ziggy-Zoomba starts to play)

[BGSU Falconz]

Imagine if half the teams in the NFL were not given the ability to appear in the Super Bowl, regardless of record, before the season even started.

That is the reason I don't like the BCS.