Temple press release for this Saturday's game

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:46 am

I haven't said a word here since halftime of NIU. I was upset at halftime already about missed opportunities, so to put it mildly I was a little more than upset after the game then I was at the half. The loss was brutal, but I was not upset with BG as much as I was upset that my expectations were obviously to high for the NIU game. I mean, I was expecting BG to utterly destroy the Huskies. Oh well, water under the bridge. On to this weekend. I have gotten that itch for a BG football game and I'm looking forward to this weekend's game with the Owls. Here's what the Owls have to say about BG, Toledo, and themselves.

http://www.owlsports.com/sports/footbal ... E_ID=15562

ffejfalcon · Post by **ffejfalcon** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:15 pm

This game scares me a bit. Temple has some players and at home, they will be tough. I'm not convinced our D can stop any D1 team at this point. If we can pull out a W, I think we are back on track. If we lose this game, oh boy, we are all but cooked. Even thought it's not a MAC game, another L may kill our confindence.

I'll be at the LINC yelling my lungs out.....GO FALCONS!!!

BelieveNBG · Post by **BelieveNBG** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:23 pm

if they could only muster up 17 points against that Terdledo defense, we will be just fine. Regardless of the NIU game, not any team has score 60 plus points on us, but those guys up North have allowed that to happen twice already. Even Oklahoma didn't put up 60 points. We will be just fine and adjustments will be made.

GO BG!!!

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:44 pm

BelieveNBG wrote:if they could only muster up 17 points against that Terdledo defense, we will be just fine. Regardless of the NIU game, not any team has score 60 plus points on us, but those guys up North have allowed that to happen twice already. Even Oklahoma didn't put up 60 points. We will be just fine and adjustments will be made.

GO BG!!!

Yeah, but Turdledo-Temple was 24-17 at one time before TU pulled away. We have to be careful here, Temple is a more dangerous team than they are given credit. And like it's been stated in other posts, this game could be huge for us for potential OOC tiebreakers.

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 2:56 pm

Can someone say for a CERTAINTY that out of conference record is part of the tie-breaking procedure for deciding a MAC divisional champion.

I don't know about you, but this sounds ludicrous to me. I would flip a coin first. Why would you penalize a team for playing a tough out of conference schedule with little hope of a winning record, aka Marshall?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 3:14 pm

Redwingtom wrote:Can someone say for a CERTAINTY that out of conference record is part of the tie-breaking procedure for deciding a MAC divisional champion.

I don't know about you, but this sounds ludicrous to me. I would flip a coin first. Why would you penalize a team for playing a tough out of conference schedule with little hope of a winning record, aka Marshall?

I cannot imagine that OOC record has any place in the tie breaker, but I cannot say for sure.

I do know that it doesn't factor into the Big10 tie breaking scenario...in fact I think they DO get to coin flip before OOC schedule

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 5:29 pm

After overall conference record. The following tiebreakers are used in the MAC Head-to-head competition is the first tie-breaker used in determining divisional champions, with conference winning percentage used as the second tie-breaker.

The MAAC uses this for their tiebreakers, I haven't found the MAC's tiebreaker procedure yet.

Two-Way Tiebreaker
In the event of a two-way tie in the standings, the following tiebreaker system shall be used - in order - until the tie is broken:

1. Winning percentage of each team in head-to-head competition.
2. Winning percentage of each team vs. the first-place team, or their composite winning percentage against any teams tying for first place.
3. Winning percentage of each team vs. the second-place team, or their composite winning percentage against any teams tying for second place.
4. This process continues with winning percentage vs. the third-place team, fourth-place team, etc., as necessary, until the tie is broken and seeding is complete.
5. If a tie still exists after exhausting steps 1-4, the most recent rankings of USA Today's Sagarin poll will be utilized to determine the Conference champion.

Three-Way (or more) Tiebreaker
In the event of a three-way tie (or a tie involving more than three teams) in the standings, the following tiebreaker system shall be used in the order listed.

1. The winning percentages of the teams involved in the tie vs. each other shall be compared. If one team's winning percentage is superior to the others, that team shall be removed from the tie and seeded highest of the teams involved in the tie. If two teams subsequently remain, that tie shall be broken utilizing the two-way tiebreaker procedure.

2. If no single team has a superior winning percentage after the comparison described in No. 1, but multiple teams have the same superior percentage to any other teams involved in the tie, those teams with the superior percentage will be compared using either the two-way or three-way tiebreaker procedure. The team that has the advantage will be seeded highest of all teams involved in the original tie. The other team(s) (the loser(s) of the appropriate tiebreaker) will again be compared to the remaining teams in the tie, beginning with step No. 1 of the three-way tiebreaker.

3. If all winning percentages in the three-way (or more) tie vs. teams involved in the tie are the same, each team's winning percentage vs. the first-place team or teams tying for first place shall be compared. If one team's winning percentage is superior to the others, that team shall be removed from the tie and seeded highest of the teams involved in the tie. If two teams remain, that tie shall be broken utilizing the two-way tiebreaker procedure.

4. If all winning percentages in the three-way (or more) tie vs. teams involved in the tie are the same, each team's winning percentage vs. the first-place team or teams tying for first place shall be compared. If multiple teams have a superior winning percentage to any other team in the original tie, those teams with the superior percentage will be compared using either the two-way or three-way tiebreaker procedure. The team that has the advantage will be seeded highest of all teams involved in the original tie. The other team(s) (the loser(s) of the appropriate tiebreaker) will again be compared to the remaining teams in the tie, beginning with step No. 1 of the three-way tiebreaker.

5. This process continues as necessary, comparing winning percentages of teams in the tie vs. the second-place team or their composite percentages vs. teams tying for second place, third place, etc., until all ties are broken and seeding is complete.

If all steps above have been exhausted and the tie cannot be broken, the most recent rankings of USA Today's Sagarin poll will be utilized to determine the Conference champion.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:36 pm

that MAAC tiebreaker sounds like it would be for hoops. (the part about "seedings" is why I think that)

and I don't think its strictly OOC that is used as a tiebreaker, but the entire record, of which OOC would make the difference. And I agree, its not really fair, especially when the goal of the MAC is to schedule and beat "big schools".

I wonder if they have a similar process as the Big Ten and the Rose Bowl, with the team who has not gone to the MACC in the longest period of time gets the bid? NIU would definitely be in the drivers seat (even more than they already are) if that's the case.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:13 pm

TG1996 wrote:that MAAC tiebreaker sounds like it would be for hoops. (the part about "seedings" is why I think that)

The MAAC is a I-AA conference. That's why the part about seedings is in there. They have a football playoff system. I'm still searching for the official tiebreaker rules for the MAC.

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:20 pm

UK Peregrine Fan wrote:
TG1996 wrote:that MAAC tiebreaker sounds like it would be for hoops. (the part about "seedings" is why I think that)
The MAAC is a I-AA conference. That's why the part about seedings is in there. They have a football playoff system. I'm still searching for the official tiebreaker rules for the MAC.

But they seed within their conference? Seems to me that the seeding would be done at the NCAA level, not individual conferences. The part about "record versus 1st, 2nd, etc. place team" leads me to believe its for hoops as well. If its just for determining a champion, and in the scenario we've laid out, all three would be the first place team, with a 1-1 record against the other first place teams, and undefeated the rest of the way down the line in conference.

I hope you can dig something up on the MAC tiebreaker, though! I have a MAC media guide from 2000, which might have something in there on it, but its at home, and I'm stuck at work...

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:14 pm

Eureka!!! I just finished searching through the MAC Handbook and I think I found it. Here goes:

Tiebreaker Procedure

a. Head-to-head competition. If the two teams played during the regular season, the winner of the game between the two teams shall represent the conference.
b. If the two teams did not play each other, compare the winning percentage of the two teams against common opponents in rank order until an advantage is gained and the tie is broken.
c. If there is still a tie after applying (a) and (b) above, the most recent team representing the conference in a bowl game shall be eliminated.
d. If the tie cannot be broken applying (a), (b) and (c) above, a committee consisting of athletics directors other than the directors of the tied teams involved shall select the ‘best representative.’
Each university may make a presentation to the committee regarding its teams’ suitability to represent the conference, as well as voice any concerns involving the application of the criteria.

Selection criteria without preference includes:
1. Strength of schedule (Sagarin, AP, CNN/Coaches, Seattle polls);
2. Overall schedule; and
3. Best representative team at that time (e.g., health of key players).

Hope this clears things up a little.[/i]

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:30 pm

yeah, NIU has to lose twice.

good work digging that up!!!

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:39 pm

Yup, that answers it.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:18 pm

UK Peregrine Fan wrote:c. If there is still a tie after applying (a) and (b) above, the most recent team representing the conference in a bowl game shall be eliminated.

D0H!!!!!!!!!!!

Redwingtom · Post by **Redwingtom** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:12 pm

What is the date on those procedures?

Seems to me like these are the procedures from way back when we only had a conference without two divisions.

I would think there would be some mention of a division in there because that would determine who went to the MACC, not necessarily a bowl game which these procedures seem to indicate.

My guess is that these were the procedures when the MAC Champion got to go to the Raisin bowl.

Temple press release for this Saturday's game

Temple press release for this Saturday's game

My thoughts...

Re: My thoughts...