Is recruiting completely worthless to rank?

[Dayons_Den]

I will say this about Turner, he looked a lot better than Omar in the spring game two years ago.

[Flipper]

The ratings are really poor, IMO. A Big Ten school shows interest in a player, and they add a star--same player! Remember what you are trying to do: project how a 17-year old will perform, against completely different competition, in as much as four years. You could know everything about a young man, his background, his makeup, and see every play in practice and games, and its still a long shot.

Plus the coaches are supposed to coach them when they get here.

One last thing--AT will be all-MAC before he graduates.

How can he ever be all MAC if that Western Mich QB wins all MAC every season for the next 4 years

You're making a lot of of assumptions based on very limited data....but, have fun with it. It''s your right as an American.

[hammb]

The ratings are really poor, IMO. A Big Ten school shows interest in a player, and they add a star--same player! Remember what you are trying to do: project how a 17-year old will perform, against completely different competition, in as much as four years. You could know everything about a young man, his background, his makeup, and see every play in practice and games, and its still a long shot.

Plus the coaches are supposed to coach them when they get here.

One last thing--AT will be all-MAC before he graduates.

How can he ever be all MAC if that Western Mich QB wins all MAC every season for the next 4 years

You're making a lot of of assumptions based on very limited data....but, have fun with it. It''s your right as an American.

Yeah, like the fact that the guy won't get to play BG for 10 games a year LOL

[Germainfitch1]

The ratings are really poor, IMO. A Big Ten school shows interest in a player, and they add a star--same player! Remember what you are trying to do: project how a 17-year old will perform, against completely different competition, in as much as four years. You could know everything about a young man, his background, his makeup, and see every play in practice and games, and its still a long shot.

Plus the coaches are supposed to coach them when they get here.

One last thing--AT will be all-MAC before he graduates.

How can he ever be all MAC if that Western Mich QB wins all MAC every season for the next 4 years

You're making a lot of of assumptions based on very limited data....but, have fun with it. It''s your right as an American.

I am sorry, I was joking.

And i am proud to be an American!

[Flipper]

I suspected as much....but these losses have made us all so crazy...

[BGSU Falconz]

Remember in 2003 when Omar looked pretty "average" getting mop-up time at QB, and how worried everyone was for the following year because nobody had a chance to really see what he was capable of?

I think we have yet to see what Anthony Turner can really do.

1st you say if you think he looks average you are wrong. THen you say he will get better so????/

Omar during warmups, before he even played a down, had fans drooling and literally saying this guy could be better than Harris......

Bull. I remember a lot of guys on here expressing their concerns about leaving the QB position in the hands of Omar after we saw him play in 2003.

[Germainfitch1]

I may be guilty of revisionist history. I remember people almost afraid to say it, but watching Omar and saying, he is bigger faster and has a stronger arm than Harris.

[BelieveNBG]

With all the high schools across the country, how can you expect those rankings to be credible? The so called experts don't even see half of these guys. They look at whose being recruited by whom. For instance, if one B10 team offers you, others will jump on board just because. The more that jump on board, the more stars a recruit gets. Let's say you live in Tinbuktu...you aren't going to be seen by any so called expert and if you can't get to a camp, you are relying on a coach having contacts to get someone to give you a look...also this is a coach that is coaching in Tinbuktu. Very many players slip through the cracks.

Last, it's a simple prediction that is based on what you do as a 17 year old developing into what you should be as a 22 year old. The ranking only means that you have the talent to become just so good. That development must be guided by someone that knows how to develop you, so now you are relying on the coaches to help make you all that you can be. This doesn't mean that a zero star guy can't achieve the same thing. They may be a late bloomer or they may have more of an upside than the so called experts ever perceived. In my opinion, pratically anyone that makes it into a D-1 program has that ability. These athletes are already far ahead of the curve just to get in.

[edr4225]

This thread must be a joke, because turner is a FRESHMEN, he has the talent and skills to be a great QB.

Do you remember Harris when he was a freshmen. he was horrible, he even played RB that year. His sophomore year wasnt much better, he couldnt throw the ball accurately. But then he masters the system as a junior then dominated as a senior.

Omar didnt look all that great as a freshemn either, we all noticed that he threw the ball funny and that he would be a faster version of harris. But, then he goes crazy his soph year and is now one of the best in the country.

The point is that, we gotta give Turner more time, the scouts saw something in this kid that was worth the attention, Iowa offered, michigan state offered and he chose bg. We cant start callin this guy a flop and overrated until he has more gametime.

on the other hand, if hes a junior and still not getting it done, then we can start calling this guy overrated, but hes only a FRESHMEN.

He will be ok, hes got plenty of time to improve, i think our QB situation is ok, im worried about our WRs to tell the truth, how we gonna replace sharon and sanders, you know

[Falconboy]

Anthony Turner was drooled over but looks average, could have potential but doesn't have the Omar Jacobs (could this guy be even better than our all Mac Qb Josh Haris) vibe. ANd don't get me wrong it is hard to compare him to Jacobs but All recruits are drooled over for their potential, he seems to not be living up to the hype (IMO).

You do realize he is a freshman, correct?

A redshirt freshman that is. I'll say this the first time I saw Omar throw a 50 yard bomb deep to Derrick Lett 3 years ago I knew or at least had the inkling that he's was going to better than J5 at least as passing ability goes. Omar had many deep throws in his first time playing when J5 was still here. Turner has yet to go deep yet in 2 games of significant playing time. Now that either means only a few things , either he doesn't have the arm strengh ( which I doubt) or he's not accurate enough at all (most likely) or the coaches just feel safe having AT just throw 2 yard screen passes or design rushing the ball.

Simple things like Turner's pocket presence dont' impress me much. Omar had that down pat early on. Turner is too feet happy and doens't set his feet well at all when setting up to throw. Now, could I be a complete "nincompoop" as you say it and he end up being awesome after more experience , sure. But I'm just saying after 6 qtrs of seeing AT play I don't see the "it" factor that was so apparent with Omar right off the bat.

[Flipper]

That 50 yard bomb you're referring to was thrown against a 1AA team...in the second half of a huge blow out. Turner hasn't been fortunate enough to see action in a meaningless game against a vastly inferior foe, so I think your perceptions and recollections may be a bit skewed....

Anyone who watched the spring game this year can tell you that AT has a very strong arm. He has to get comfortable with the offense and the coach's have to be convinced he's comfortable enough with it so they'll give him a little more responsibility and he'll be willing to take it...

[Germainfitch1]

Do you really think that Turner in his limited play has even compared to what Josh Harris did in his limited play?

Harris was a true Freshman. Turner has been here a year.

[Flipper]

Harris? He started one (maybe 2?) game(s) as true freshman at QB....he certainly didn't light it up against Toledo.... He did well as TB, but he looked pretty rough at QB IIRC.

Omar did so well in his first "real" game experience against Ball State in 2003 that Brandon had to pull him and put Harris back in just to seal the win.

AT is doing fine...there's things he has to improve upon (like not staring down his primary WR and making his decisions a little quicker) but I think the talent is there.

[orangeandbrown]

For most of his sophomore year, Josh Harris couldn't even beat out Andy Sahm for the starting job.

[BGGrad01]

For most of his sophomore year, Josh Harris couldn't even beat out Andy Sahm for the starting job.

I still remember feeling disappointed when Coach Meyer named Harris the starter for the rest of the year prior to the OU game in 2001. Harris had shown me nothing up to that point to change my opinion that he was anything other than a good runner playing quarterback. He certainly changed my opinion two weeks later against Northwestern and the following week against UT. The rest, of course, is history.

Let's give AT some time. As Flipper pointed out, he hasn't been in there throwing it in a relaxed, blow-out situation, so comparing his effort to Omar's efforts two years ago against SEMO and Liberty is unfair.