Omar/Turner

[rc_ziggy84]

Thanks. I knew I'd heard the name somewhere. His numbers do look good.

[Im_Full]

Assuming Vince Young does declare, Omar would be the #3 QB prospect in next year's draft if he declared. The 2nd best senior QB, Jay Cutler, doesn't look like he's going to pass Omar. Omar is at worst a 2nd round pick right now. If a team falls in love with him and Young either slips or doesn't declare, Omar would likely be a 1st round pick.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but Mel Kiper has him at 6-7 among QB prospects. Cutler is definitely ahead of Omar at this point.

I'm a draftnik, and do yourself a favor and don't pay attention to Kiper's rankings until March when they matter. And Cutler would not be drafted ahead of Omar either. Show some faith in the guy.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

Assuming Vince Young does declare, Omar would be the #3 QB prospect in next year's draft if he declared. The 2nd best senior QB, Jay Cutler, doesn't look like he's going to pass Omar. Omar is at worst a 2nd round pick right now. If a team falls in love with him and Young either slips or doesn't declare, Omar would likely be a 1st round pick.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but Mel Kiper has him at 6-7 among QB prospects. Cutler is definitely ahead of Omar at this point.

I'm a draftnik, and do yourself a favor and don't pay attention to Kiper's rankings until March when they matter. And Cutler would not be drafted ahead of Omar either. Show some faith in the guy.

I have plenty of faith in Omar. the problem is, I don't have much influence with NFL execs.

Saying you're a draftnik doesn't change the fact that Cutler is ahead of Omar on everybody's draft board right now, and Omar would need a monster combine to crack the 2nd round.

[h2oville rocket]

[quote="truth"]i dont blame omar for not looking the same after the boise game. How many dropped balls did he have in that game?

Of course four of them were dropped by Boise. If I were Omar I would take any opportunity to get drafted and show the NFL what I could do once I got there. He's looking at a Senior year with less talented receivers, and no running game. Its not good to see your numbers drop every year after a great sophomore year. And then there's the chance of injury. That having been said I'm guessing we'll have to deal with him again next year. Drat!

[Touchdown Rockets]

i dont blame omar for not looking the same after the boise game. How many dropped balls did he have in that game?

Of course four of them were dropped by Boise. If I were Omar I would take any opportunity to get drafted and show the NFL what I could do once I got there. He's looking at a Senior year with less talented receivers, and no running game. Its not good to see your numbers drop every year after a great sophomore year. And then there's the chance of injury. That having been said I'm guessing we'll have to deal with him again next year. Drat!

This comment has nothing to do with the Rockets having to face Omar three years in a row (because I think they'd win the third too), but I think that his stock is higher now than it would be at this time next year. The stuff that H2Oville posted is very similar to Bruce's case. With Lance, Kenny Higgins, and Holmes gone this year, he had to work with a whole set of new receivers and TE's, relatively speaking. There were probably more dropped passes than were caught. It was definitely a tough senior season for him. With losing the top two RBs and top two receivers, it should be a tough one for the offense and Omar next year. Regardless, there was a lot of hype around Turner when he came in, so I don't think that it will affect your offense as much as losing the top four RBs and WRs will.

[Im_Full]

Assuming Vince Young does declare, Omar would be the #3 QB prospect in next year's draft if he declared. The 2nd best senior QB, Jay Cutler, doesn't look like he's going to pass Omar. Omar is at worst a 2nd round pick right now. If a team falls in love with him and Young either slips or doesn't declare, Omar would likely be a 1st round pick.

Not sure where you're getting your info, but Mel Kiper has him at 6-7 among QB prospects. Cutler is definitely ahead of Omar at this point.

I'm a draftnik, and do yourself a favor and don't pay attention to Kiper's rankings until March when they matter. And Cutler would not be drafted ahead of Omar either. Show some faith in the guy.

I have plenty of faith in Omar. the problem is, I don't have much influence with NFL execs.

Saying you're a draftnik doesn't change the fact that Cutler is ahead of Omar on everybody's draft board right now, and Omar would need a monster combine to crack the 2nd round.

Like I said, Kiper having Omar rated low doesn't mean a whole lot right now. He shuffles his ratings early, if you didn't know that yet. As for "everyone", I'd like to know who "everyone" is because NFL Draft Countdown, NFL Draft Blitz, NFL Draft Showcase and Consensus Draft Services all rate Omar higher. I'm afraid you're solrely mistaken here. IF...IF Omar dropped to the top of the 2nd, teams would be trying to trade up to get him...bank on it.

[hammb]

I'm also a draftnik, and most of those sites you listed do very little updating during the season. What's more the updating they do is not going to be real accurate when discussing a prospect from a non-BCS school a la BG.

Omar is not a first round pick this year. I watched almost every game he played in this season and doesn't DESERVE to be a 1st round pick, he didn't play like what I would expect a 1st round pick QB to play like. Kiper's board can be real goofy during the season when he changes it so much, but I think that he's a lot closer to being accurate on Omar's rating than the places like Consensus & Draft Blitz that still have him rated in the top 15 prospects...he did not play like that sort of player this year.

That said, this is a VERY weak year for QBs. While a guy like Cutler has probably not passed Omar on a lot of boards, there are other Juniors who have; Brady Quinn & Vince Young, specifically. As for other Seniors I only saw Hackney play once this year, but I wouldn't be so quick to put Omar ahead of him, he's got all the physical tools as well. Reggie McNeal is probably rated similarly too right now. Those guys don't have Omar's upside, for sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if Omar isn't that greatly ahead of them on many teams' draft boards.

You say that teams will be trading up in the 2nd round to draft him, but I don't see that happening. As a draftnik you should also know that there hasn't been a QB taken in the 2nd round for the past 2-3 years. Teams don't draft QBs there. They either go in the first round if they are confident they can be the starter of the future, or they generally drop to at least the 3rd as teams then see them as big projects.

My personal take on Omar is that I'd be quite afraid to draft him if I'm an NFL team. The kid is big, has a strong arm, and is accurate. He's also a good athlete. However, there are a lot of things I don't like. BG's offense is a negative for any QB playing in this system. It is nearly impossible to get a read on his mental grasp of the game...the audible system is jacked up and I worry that they don't trust him to make his own audible calls. He's absolutely unwilling to run. The athletic ability that he possesses is a moot point if he will not use it to gain yardage when the opposing team gives it to him. Funky Delivery. Doesn't throw a particularly good deep ball. This year, for the first time, we threw the deep ball a lot, but we missed on most of those. Those that were completed were oftentimes great plays by the WR moreso than great throws. Doesn't exhibit much in the way of on the field leadership or "it" factor either, combine that with the audible system it's really hard to see if he has the makeup of a big time NFL QB.

In the end I'd rate Omar in the 2nd-3rd round, as a big project who has great upside potential, but needs seasoning. If all the Juniors (other than Omar) were to stay in school I could see him going in the mid-late first round, as some team will want to grab their QB of the future and he's the best thing left. If Quinn and/or Young declare I'd expect Omar to go behind them and likely drop into the 2nd/3rd round.

All that being said, I'm still unsure of what's best for Omar. Coming back for a senior season against a big time schedule without all of your weapons is not a recipe for success. Very tough to improve your draft stock in that situation.

[Salsa]

Mel Kiper made the point recently that several NFL QBs are nearing the end of their career. He feels that finding QB prospects will be a priority over the next few years.

[hammb]

Mel Kiper made the point recently that several NFL QBs are nearing the end of their career. He feels that finding QB prospects will be a priority over the next few years.

Let's take a real quick look around the NFL:

AFC East
Bills - Too much invested in JP Losman. He's still the guy of the future, they don't draft a QB on the first day.
Dolphins - Really need to find a QB of the future, could use their top 10 if a guy they like is available.
Patriots - Tom Brady is still only 28, and one of the best in the league.
Jets - How much can they rely on Pennington? Weak arm already with 2 shoulder surgeries. They could be looking to take a guy very early.

AFC North
Steelers - One of the great young QBs in the game in Big Ben.
Bengals - One of the great young QBs in the game in Palmer.
Ravens - Billick still likes Boller, but I think they're nearing the end of that experiment...could go QB early.
Browns - They seem happy with Frye as the guy for the future. I don't see them going QB early, too many other holes.

AFC South
Texans - Hard to say. They could be ready to ditch Carr and start over, but the guy is not as bad as he looks behind that OL.
Colts - Best in the business and only 29
Jags - Leftwich was having a real nice year before breaking that ankle yesterday He's still young.
Titans - Time running out for McNair...Volek's looked good at times and is only 29, but not sure they're considering him the future. Good take one early.

AFC West
Broncos - Plummer's playing very well and is still only 30 years old.
Chiefs - Green is 35 and they don't have a QB under 32 on their roster...could take on early this year or next.
Raiders - Collins is only 32, but he's nothing special. They could definitely take a guy early in the coming years.
Chargers - Have a good young QB in Brees, and Rivers will likely be shipped to one of these other teams that are looking for a QB.

NFC East
Cowboys - Drew's 33 and not sure what they think of Henson. Likely that they'll be looking QB high, but they won't do it until Parcells leaves.
Giants - They found a gem in Manning.
Eagles - McNabb is still only 29
Redskins - They're already grooming Campbell to be the QB of the future.

NFC North
Bears - Grossman hasn't shown much, but they're winning with Orton. He isn't playing awful & could develop.
Vikings - Culpepper is still only 28.
Lions - Joey is probably done, they'll be looking QB sometime soon.
Packers - Already grooming Rogers as QB of the future behind Favre.

NFC South
Falcons - Great one in Vick, and Shaub is a talented young QB. He could be moving on to fill one of the other QB holes.
Panthers - Delhomme is only 30...they've also got LaFors...not sure how they see him.
Saints - Brooks is only 29, but is not special. They did add Adrian McPherson to groom as a future starter.
Bucs - Griese is only 30. They've also got 3 guys on the roster under 30. Their future starter will likely come from that group, not drafting.

NFC West
Cardinals - A lotta crap. Warner is the best and is 34. They'll be looking QB in the near future.
Rams - Bulger is only 28 and the rook looked damn good yesterday. They won't be going QB anytime soon.
49ers - Alex Smith is the future
Seahawks - Hasselbeck is only 30 and they added Greene to groom behind him.


So looking throughout the NFL I see 9 teams that would really be willing to take a QB in the first couple rounds of the draft. I would expect Shaub & Rivers to fill 2 of those holes in the next year or two as well. That only leaves 7 teams that are willing to draft QBs. That's how Rogers fell so far last year, and how future QBs will fall. Sure there are a couple teams that are going to be looking to replace aging vets, but typically once you've got a QB you have to stick with him for a few years because they take so much cap space & time to develop.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

So the question is, if Omar decides to come out, would he be in the top 7 QB's in scouts' minds? Depends a lot on the juniors and depends even more on the combine and interviews. Omar better work a ton on his leadership skills or teams are going to pick up on that and drop him down. Every single good QB in the NFL is a great leader and commands respect from his teammates. Omar may be just that, but I haven't really seen it. Y


Omar will find a home somewhere in the NFL either next year or the following year. He'll get a shot and we'll just have to hope he capitalizes on it when it happens.

[Falconfreak90]

Omar better work a ton on his leadership skills or teams are going to pick up on that and drop him down. Every single good QB in the NFL is a great leader and commands respect from his teammates. Omar may be just that, but I haven't really seen it. Y

As much as I dig Omar, I'm afraid I have to agree with this. J5 had the leadership down pat. I haven't really seen it from Omar...yet.

[Germainfitch1]

Mel Kiper made the point recently that several NFL QBs are nearing the end of their career. He feels that finding QB prospects will be a priority over the next few years.

Let's take a real quick look around the NFL:

AFC East
Bills - Too much invested in JP Losman. He's still the guy of the future, they don't draft a QB on the first day.
Dolphins - Really need to find a QB of the future, could use their top 10 if a guy they like is available.
Patriots - Tom Brady is still only 28, and one of the best in the league.
Jets - How much can they rely on Pennington? Weak arm already with 2 shoulder surgeries. They could be looking to take a guy very early.

AFC North
Steelers - One of the great young QBs in the game in Big Ben.
Bengals - One of the great young QBs in the game in Palmer.
Ravens - Billick still likes Boller, but I think they're nearing the end of that experiment...could go QB early.
Browns - They seem happy with Frye as the guy for the future. I don't see them going QB early, too many other holes.

AFC South
Texans - Hard to say. They could be ready to ditch Carr and start over, but the guy is not as bad as he looks behind that OL.
Colts - Best in the business and only 29
Jags - Leftwich was having a real nice year before breaking that ankle yesterday He's still young.
Titans - Time running out for McNair...Volek's looked good at times and is only 29, but not sure they're considering him the future. Good take one early.

AFC West
Broncos - Plummer's playing very well and is still only 30 years old.
Chiefs - Green is 35 and they don't have a QB under 32 on their roster...could take on early this year or next.
Raiders - Collins is only 32, but he's nothing special. They could definitely take a guy early in the coming years.
Chargers - Have a good young QB in Brees, and Rivers will likely be shipped to one of these other teams that are looking for a QB.

NFC East
Cowboys - Drew's 33 and not sure what they think of Henson. Likely that they'll be looking QB high, but they won't do it until Parcells leaves.
Giants - They found a gem in Manning.
Eagles - McNabb is still only 29
Redskins - They're already grooming Campbell to be the QB of the future.

NFC North
Bears - Grossman hasn't shown much, but they're winning with Orton. He isn't playing awful & could develop.
Vikings - Culpepper is still only 28.
Lions - Joey is probably done, they'll be looking QB sometime soon.
Packers - Already grooming Rogers as QB of the future behind Favre.

NFC South
Falcons - Great one in Vick, and Shaub is a talented young QB. He could be moving on to fill one of the other QB holes.
Panthers - Delhomme is only 30...they've also got LaFors...not sure how they see him.
Saints - Brooks is only 29, but is not special. They did add Adrian McPherson to groom as a future starter.
Bucs - Griese is only 30. They've also got 3 guys on the roster under 30. Their future starter will likely come from that group, not drafting.

NFC West
Cardinals - A lotta crap. Warner is the best and is 34. They'll be looking QB in the near future.
Rams - Bulger is only 28 and the rook looked damn good yesterday. They won't be going QB anytime soon.
49ers - Alex Smith is the future
Seahawks - Hasselbeck is only 30 and they added Greene to groom behind him.


So looking throughout the NFL I see 9 teams that would really be willing to take a QB in the first couple rounds of the draft. I would expect Shaub & Rivers to fill 2 of those holes in the next year or two as well. That only leaves 7 teams that are willing to draft QBs. That's how Rogers fell so far last year, and how future QBs will fall. Sure there are a couple teams that are going to be looking to replace aging vets, but typically once you've got a QB you have to stick with him for a few years because they take so much cap space & time to develop.

I agree with your list but think that number 9 is a bit inflated because Patrick Ramsey/Joey Harrington and David Carr will likely each be starting somewhere else soon. Also Volek will be starting somewhere.

[bgsufalcon24]

I think you guys are forgetting one massively huge thing. Things change so fast in the NFL. Teams get good, teams get bad, players leave when you wouldnt expect, etc. Example: If anybody had said that Daunte Culpepper's job was in jeopardy going into this season, theyd be higher than a falcon on crack. However, Culpepper went 1-4 and played awful before getting injured for the season, plus the subsequent 4-game winning streak under Brad Johnson, there is now a huge QB controversy in Minnesota heading to next season. I wouldnt be surprised if the Vikings traded Culpepper before next season since other teams would probably overpay for him.

The point is, teams like the Titans, Browns, Chiefs, and others could suddenly have a crisis like that of Minnesota's and have to get a QB. Outside that, I agree with whats been presented. There are quite a few teams that need QBs

1.Ravens - Boller sucks
2.Lions - Harrington is gone
3.Jets - too many injuries, Pennington isnt dependable
4.Bills - Losman sucks
5.Titans - McNair nearing the end, Volek isnt that good
6.Cardinals - Warner and McCown suck
7.Saints - Brooks sucks, end of line for him
8.Texans - Carr may not be that bad, but needs change of scenery
9.Dolphins - Wow. They REALLY need a QB.
10.Raiders - Collins sucks.

Sidenote - If Omar were to leave this year, we are going to be HORRIBLE next year.