State Championships Set; Bellaire falls to Mooney

[OptionQB]

D-1

Cincinnati St. Xavier v. Massillon

D-2

Central Catholic (Toledo) v. Canfield

D-3

Steubenville v. Columbus St. Francis DeSales

D-4

Youngstown Cardinal Mooney v. Coldwater

D-5

Hamler Patrick Henry v. Cincinnati Hills Christian Academy

D-6

Steubenville Catholic Central v. Delphos St. John's

It's disgusting when Catholics (don't worry I am one) are representing five of six divisions and our co-conspirating and illegally recruiting Christian friends from the Cincinnati Hills area represent the other division. This is what is wrong with OHSAA athletics. Give the public common-folk kids a chance and make the Catholics and Christians fight for their own state titles!

[jacojdm]

This is what is wrong with OHSAA athletics. Give the public common-folk kids a chance and make the Catholics and Christians fight for their own state titles!

why? there are plenty on publi schools that have great success with students from other school districts. see: division I, region II champion.

btw Massillon's first year head coach is Tom Stacy, a BG alum. It's the Tigers' first title game in almost 25 years, and its oppotunity to finally win a real state championship. i hope that they don't.

[Tswam]

It's a crime that Cleveland Glenville didn't make it to the semi-finals or finals. No one had a better year recruiting than the Tarblooders. Not only did they get players from the other Cleveland publics, they were able to get kids from the privates and from outside of Cleveland.

If BG's next recruiting class is anything close to Glenville's, forget about those dire predictions for '06.

It'd sure be nice getting a couple of those Glenville kids.

[jacojdm]

It's a crime that Cleveland Glenville didn't make it to the semi-finals or finals. No one had a better year recruiting than the Tarblooders. Not only did they get players from the other Cleveland publics, they were able to get kids from the privates and from outside of Cleveland.

If BG's next recruiting class is anything close to Glenville's, forget about those dire predictions for '06.

It'd sure be nice getting a couple of those Glenville kids.

are you that coach from collinwood that called trivosonno last week to complain about the kid from brush tht transferred?

all the kids in cleveland want to play for the daddy of the most overhyped kid in college football, thats why glenville recruits so well.

[Warthog]

Give the public common-folk kids a chance and make the Catholics and Christians fight for their own state titles!

Option, I respect your opinion, but I couldn't disagree more, especially when talking about the bigger divisions. Any Div I school with over 500 boys in the top three grades should be able to find 20 kids good enough to compete with anybody.

And are you saying that since the kids go to a private school and pay thousands of dollars to do so, that they should, for that reason,be made to compete in a seperate group? How does that make them better on the field? If you think it is a problem, talk to the public schools. Just like when Marshall joined the MAC and forced all the other schools to upgrade thier programs, the public schools should look at this like the same kind of challenge.

[OptionQB]

Warthog,

Allow me to clarify . . . What I have a problem with is 15% of all the schools in Ohio are parochial or private, yet they've won something like 80% of the state championships across the board in all sports since the mid 90s. Something inherently doesn't add up there.

For a more local feel, can you honestly tell me that BJ Raymond for instance was Catholic and just happened to attend St. John's Jesuit after living his entire life in the Scott district? John Floyd may be Catholic, but there are many others on the last several St. John's teams that are not.

[Warthog]

Keep in mind that you do not have to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school. Even at the local elementary school (St. Aloysuis), there are more then a few students who are not Catholic. And obviously, it is not about being an athletic star, but about the quality of education a parent feels their child can get there. Non-parishioners, in fact, have to pay a higher tuition even. So, if BJ Raymond didn't happen to be Catholic, it would be costing him even more money to go to St. John's.

But using him as an example, I would guess he transferred to St. John's for his own future. He wants to play football in college I imagine. St. John's usually has a pretty good football team and several of those kids go on to play at the collegiate level. Now Scott, on the other hand, isn't usually a very good football team. So someone looking to get noticed by the college scouts, probably thinks they would be better off going to a place like St. John's than Scott.

But that whole line of thinking leads to the self fulfilling prophecy of the better athletes migrating to the schools with the better programs. And as it stands, it appears that there are several parochial schools have set themselves up to be that preferred school.

I think the whole issue is a lot bigger than what I would like to get into. The social-economic-finacial issues speak for themselves, but I would also add that the type a student that attends a private school has a different background-motivation-opportunities than one that attends a public school. I not saying all are, but in general terms.

[OptionQB]

Raymond is a tweener that was highly overrated by some as a top 100 player out of St. John's last year. I imagine he will be getting to know Sean Miller and the assistants quite well at Xavier this year as he watches from the pine. He would be better suited to play in the MAC.

You somewhat made my point for me in that the Catholic schools can hide behind the notion of a "better education" to recruit kids who happen to be 6'6" for basketball and run 4.4 40s for football.

I understand that you don't necessarily have to be Catholic to go to St. John's or any other private school, but the perception is is that they all are Catholic.

I can't imagine that Dru Joyce, Romeo Travis or LeBron knew their way through the Our Father, let alone Mass.

[Warthog]

I can't imagine that Dru Joyce, Romeo Travis or LeBron knew their way through the Our Father, let alone Mass.

And you need to to go to a Catholic school. That's my point. Anybody go attend, so why would you make a seperate division for these schools?

[Flipper]

Because they win a lot and it's easier to point fingers and make rule changes than it is to get better....

[OptionQB]

Yes, I admit a certain number of public schools get away with many of the same things that the parochial schools do, however, for there is a significant percentage of public schools that are put at a serious disadvantage because they are being raided and victimized by the schools in question. The schools that resort cheating and recruiting at the HS level take away from the core value of sportsmanship that the OHSAA is based upon, but as long as they (the OHSAA) are selling out the Schott so that OJ Mayo and Billy Walker and Kennan Ellis can play together and Glenville can claim any athletic kid in Cleveland as having lived in their school district, then the OHSAA makes money and doesn't care.

[1987alum]

Because they win a lot and it's easier to point fingers and make rule changes than it is to get better....

[UK Peregrine]

D-4

Youngstown Cardinal Mooney v. Coldwater

D-6

Steubenville Catholic Central v. Delphos St. John's

Cool, two MAC (Midwest Athletic Conference) teams representing in the state title games.

[Columbus_Zak]

Come on DeSales!

If they play the way they have so far in the playoffs, they'd be formidable competition for team in bigger divisions.

[Germainfitch1]

Keep in mind that you do not have to be Catholic to attend a Catholic school. Even at the local elementary school (St. Aloysuis), there are more then a few students who are not Catholic. And obviously, it is not about being an athletic star, but about the quality of education a parent feels their child can get there. Non-parishioners, in fact, have to pay a higher tuition even. So, if BJ Raymond didn't happen to be Catholic, it would be costing him even more money to go to St. John's.

But using him as an example, I would guess he transferred to St. John's for his own future. He wants to play football in college I imagine. St. John's usually has a pretty good football team and several of those kids go on to play at the collegiate level. Now Scott, on the other hand, isn't usually a very good football team. So someone looking to get noticed by the college scouts, probably thinks they would be better off going to a place like St. John's than Scott.

But that whole line of thinking leads to the self fulfilling prophecy of the better athletes migrating to the schools with the better programs. And as it stands, it appears that there are several parochial schools have set themselves up to be that preferred school.

I think the whole issue is a lot bigger than what I would like to get into. The social-economic-finacial issues speak for themselves, but I would also add that the type a student that attends a private school has a different background-motivation-opportunities than one that attends a public school. I not saying all are, but in general terms.

Ron Lewis....

But using him as an example, I would guess he transferred to (OSU) St. John's for his own future. He wants to play basketball professionally I imagine. OSU usually has a pretty good football team and several of those kids go on to play at the pro level. Now BGSU on the other hand, isn't usually a very good basketball team. So someone looking to get noticed by the pro scouts, probably thinks they would be better off going to a place like OSU then BGSU.

But that whole line of thinking leads to the self fulfilling prophecy of the better athletes migrating to the schools with the better programs. And as it stands, it appears that there are several parochial schools have set themselves up to be that preferred school.