FMB Tradition Origins?

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baritonebandgeek wrote:Maybe it was an accident...but it didn't need to occur in the first place..
The fumble didn't need to occur i nthe first place? y not? There are reasons behind ever fumble, it wasn't a random occurance.
so ner :butthead:

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realmenskip wrote:
baritonebandgeek wrote:Maybe it was an accident...but it didn't need to occur in the first place..
The fumble didn't need to occur i nthe first place? y not? There are reasons behind ever fumble, it wasn't a random occurance.
so ner :butthead:

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I'm all for traditions, but please. L-Core is a small person. Whatever reasons were in your heads did not have to be cause for a bunch of guys tackling and piling on a 5'1" girl. That's just asking for her to get hurt. I know this is difficult for the maggots ( :wink: ) but try and use some common sense sometimes.
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Emily, you're my favorite...I couldn't have said it better myself!
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Speaking of Maggot traditions.....how's the elevator?
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tubachic wrote:Speaking of Maggot traditions.....how's the elevator?

LOL! :D
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bgmaggot00 wrote:
tubachic wrote:Speaking of Maggot traditions.....how's the elevator?

LOL! :D
one of the scariest moments of my life. mainly because i'd been stuck in an elevator in san diego (it means a whale's vagina) just a few weeks before.
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bgmaggot00 wrote:
The Niz wrote: I'm hoping to be a huge help in bringing back those that have been removed, and if they can't be brought back then I want to know why they are gone or why they can't come back.
good luck...
is it bad that i laughed when i read that? you'll need more than luck...
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Okay...fumbling is a great thing when used with discression. Lindsay may have been a bad use of discression....but that would be like banning flutists because they cant tune 87 percent of the time....that means they get it right 13 percent of the time, so therefore they are at least a little useful and we keep them around. Dont get all over a tradition you never had the fortune of being involved with. Being fumbled is an honor, and bcause the got injured, it is a greater honor.....we shall call it the PURPLE MAGGOT!
As far as football getting the axe....as I so eloquently once told a university official to whom I was referred following an incident that may or may not have involved a hotels immenities, a uniform, and an bored Maggot with a lot of balls, you can control me between the times of the scheduled class...but other than that I am under my own control! I say get the pigskin out....throw it and have fun with life....
Lastly, she can watch close....but much like the grinch can steal christmas....she cant take away Maggot spirit....nor can he for that matter!

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Hey, relax. See that winky face up in my post? That means I'm pretty much kidding.

No need to get upset.
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If you're really concerned about all of the traditons and about the band being what it used to be in one capacity or another, there are only a few options. First of all, read and thoroughly fill out your course evaluations....they read them. If you have the guts, sign your name. Several of us did that with the previous director, and I think that kind of concern opens a few eyes (however, although the shows were bad, I would take Dr. Toney back in a heartbeat.......at least he cared about people and treated them fairly, he always had an open door and a set of open ears!) Second of all, leadership, I charge you to push for quality over quantity.... I mean, sure the band is bigger now, but wow, how the quality has decreased ever so steadily since about 2000, which I might add was before I was around, so I'm NOT saying that it was the best when I was there, however, the 2002 FMB was very good, albeit small. To all marchers and alumni, do you really want the kind of director that ridicules and embarrasses their students in front of the whole band....especially when it was over a legit issue in which case the student was in fact correct? Do you really want a director who just shows up, stands on the scaffolding, and gives an occasional pep talk when the band is acting up or struggling? Do you want a director that CONTINUES to ride on the one decent show that was done under their reign, even though they had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the creating of it? Jason Sivill and Ryan Nowlin were the band directors that year for sure. Do you want a director who doesn't even have the guts to talk to their students about the problems, but rather pawns it off on others to take care of the issue? Do you want a director who hires an additional staff member full time for a certain section of the band...cough...percussion...cough and yet blames the students when things aren't good? How about the teacher? A saying I once heard is that there is no such thing as a bad band, just bad band directors........and I think it is very appropriate in this case. I guess running around and kissing the right a**es and ostracizing those students who would have enough knowledge and guts to call this person out on the blatant foolishness of the ensemble is being a good director? How about lacking the ability to instill intrinsic motivation for success in the students' hearts? I want the band to be good just as much as the next previous and current marcher, and it's time for a change if you ask me. I will NEVER, EVER, EVER, support anything with the FMB until the current director is gone, and please, don't private message me to tell me that she reads this and that I should watch what I say......frankly, I couldn't care less............so all I can say is......think about it.
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MatrixBass3 wrote:I mean, sure the band is bigger now, but wow, how the quality has decreased ever so steadily since about 2000, which I might add was before I was around, so I'm NOT saying that it was the best when I was there, however, the 2002 FMB was very good, albeit small.
I disagree with this. As a person who was in the band in 2002 and every year since then, I think that to say the 2002 FMB was better is a bit of a stretch. I know from my perspective, my section (trumpets) has gotten better each year since 2002. Not to say that the trumpet section in 2002 was bad (I wouldn't say it was great either), but there is no comparison between this year's trumpet section and the section in 2002. I'm sure that many other sections have improved as well, and someone in those sections would know better than myself, but what I am getting at is that I think the majority of the sections in the band have shown improvement over the last few years, and with improving sections comes an improving band. The 2002 FMB would have never been able to pull of some the shows that we have marched since then. I may not always agree with every decision made regarding the FMB, but they are usually made in the best interest of the band, so it is not my place to question them. The way I see it, we have been improving since 2002. Is that a direct result of the director change??? Maybe, maybe not, but in the end, the only thing that is important is that the band is getting better.
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This is just my humble oppion...

I feel that the from 2000 to 2005 peaked at the first performance of "Frontiers" in 2003 (yes I can point that specific of a point). Is the band on this terrible downward tail spin? I don't think so, but I also think it's too early to truly tell. I do feel that the next couple of years will be critical for the band. I've felt this for a couple years now, as early as mid season 2003. If the band makes it through the 2008/2009 school year without some sort of a melt down then things should be fine.

Do I think the band is good? Yes. Do I support the FMB un-conditionally? Yes. Do I agree with everything the band and the band leadership does? No. Do I think the band is as good as it could be? No. No one is ever going to agree with everything someone does. However I do see much potental in the band that isn't totally realized. There's enough talent, skill, and carisma in the band that it could be truly fantastic. Now is it entirly Doc H's fault? Part of me want's to say no, but just as much of me wants to say yes. I believe that those of us who are critical are so because we aren't statisfied with the status quo (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) Unfortunatly that seems to be where the current administration seems to be. I'm not saying that those in charge are doing this on purpose, however if they are trying to push the limit I am not seeing the results on the field.

Now I could be wrong with my assesment of the band this year. This was the 1st time in 8 years I've been able to really look at the band as a spectator, and I only got to see you guys a couple of times. However from I gather from talking to friends who are/where still marching, I think I'm pretty close to the mark.

Thats all I have, proceed to rip me to shreds now.
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Alright, I have several things to say in response to the last posts. Firstly, Jason. Is it possible and probable the the trumpets PLAY better now? Yes. Is it also possible that the band LOOKS like crap? Yes. There are I'm sure some very great players, as there always will be, the band sounds better than some of those years, but I look at things as a whole. Marching wise it is a mess now. There are several possibilities that may lead to this. Too many people with too little of a staff to instruct, Drill that may be too difficult for the average skill of the band, poor use of time on the practice field. I'm certainly not saying that EVERYTHING is worse, but as a whole, the quantity over quality approach of recent years has been very detrimental as a whole. (Thank God the band wears those black shoes that everyone ripped me to pieces for liking or else we'd probably see more out of step people and late step-offs than we do.) About the director, I think Goofyeuph hit the nail on the head, the director fails to push the band as far as it can go. I just saw some stuff over the last few days of two other college bands (University of Cincinatti, and University of Kentucky, where two of my former drumline students now march) and wow, it's amazing what CAN be done with a college band. Granted I think they play only 2 or 3 differnt shows, but what would be the real harm in that for the FMB? I'd love to see 2 or 3 shows like the last one of 2002 rather than the 5 that I saw this year. Please realize that my displeasure does NOT come from the membership, but rather the design team. The shows are getting cheezy, the drumline music is an abomination (I speak of that mostly because I know it better than other parts of the band.) and the basics and fundamentals are lacking. Is that the fault of the students and student leadership? NO! What can student leaders do when they are not givin ample time to address such issues...........that's right, absolutely nothing. If only the director would take some initiative and do some of this stuff. There's nothing worse than watching the person who's name is on the course list do nothing. The band director is more than just a facilitator. The director should also be an educator. The only thing I learned in my time there is that A**kissing and putting on a smiley face even when things aren't good is apprently the true spirit of this band, cause that's the only thing that works. Never speak up, never wipe the ear to ear grin off of your face, even if you're only frustrated with yourself because you made a mistake, and never, most certainly NEVER, express your concerns to the director of this band, cause they know WAY more than everyone even though their marching experience is far less than yours. Also, I learned that amplifying the metronome from the front is a really great :finga: idea because you should always listen forward through the sound to delay and be able to decipher where the beat is. The list could go on, but would not even exist if we could get a director that actually knew how not only to run a rehearsal but how to run a band, how to listen, and how to judge people fairly. As far as the drumline goes, I think I'd rather just tell them to play whatever they want for the whole show and hope that this way at least one measure or even count of music might turn out cool, because God knows that it's not happening right now. Also, for the record, apparently the new cadence this year was nix-ed because it didn't groove. Tell the guys that taught the DCI 2004 drum trophy that. Apparently it was groovy enough for them, but what the hell do they know? If they were really, truly good, they'd probably already be with the FMB because we OBVIOUSLY can see that the staff here is the best in the world........far too good to actually investigate a new idea or approach once in awhile. to the current members, keep it going, if only the current administrator would just GO AWAY........
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If the band was still marching those box drill shows from the 2002 and before, I don't think there would be a problem with marching. Naturally, when you decide to march harder drill, it's going to take a lot more to make it look better. I think that if we were marching box drills, the FMB would look just as good as the 2002 FMB and sound better, but instead, we are being challenged more with the drill. Sure it's not going to look as pristine as the box drills, but what I am saying is that it is unfair to compare the marching of the 2002 vs. 2005 FMB considering that the drill for the 2005 FMB was probably ten times as difficult as the drill for the 2002 FMB, so it's naturally not going to look as perfect as those box drills. If box drills is what you want to see, then I am confident that the 2005 FMB could have done that no worse than the 2002 FMB, but we're comparing apples and oranges here with the marching from those years.
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ok...I understand that the drill is more difficult now than a few years ago. Anyone who has been involved with the band over the last few years would understand that. HOWEVER...the average person, and the average alumni member, doesn't understand that. The problem that I am seeing, and matrixbass too, is the sense of complicacy that seems to have worked it's way into the band. Personally, I don't care how hard the show, or the music is. Anything less than the absolute best is not good enough, imo. The band is good, however I see that the band could be so much better. Yea, I have no doubt the band could march a box type drill with no problem, and make it look good. I do have some doubts that the band could make it great. I have a feeling that there would be some type of a "oh this is only a simple box drill" throughout enough of the band so that the show would only be good. The real sticking point I find though is that I've seen the band march more difficult drill, with more difficult music, at a higher level of percision and skill. I saw the Broadway, Hip Hop, and Video Game shows. They were all good, but I think they could have been great. I get the feeling more and more that I am in a vocal minority. There is one thing I want to make very clear. I support the FMB in everything you do. I might not like what you do, or how you do it, but I am extremely happy that you are doing what you do. 4 of the best years of my life were spent in the FMB, and there's no way I could trun my back on something that is as big a part of me as this. Keep up all of your good work, but I also challenge you to NEVER stop, and NEVER be statisfied with what you have done. ALWAYS strive to improve by leaps and bounds, not just by inches and feet.
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