Insider.com blurb about Omar...

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:02 pm

hammb:

Here's the multi-million dollar question, though, do you think that he'll be able to put up numbers in 2006 that will actually elevate his draft status? If he has a year, statistically, similar ot 2005, could he potentially hurt his draft status?

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:08 pm

1987alum wrote:
hammb wrote:I cannot see him leaving if they're telling him he's a 3rd or 4th rounder.
hammb: Can you elaborate on this point? I'm guessing that you believe returning would, in turn, raise his position in the 2007 draft. I'd love to read your reasoning behind that.

If he grades out as a 3rd or 4th rounder I could see him staying to play and potentially help his draft status but moreso just to play. His draft grade is not likely to fall below 3rd or 4th round and when he goes in the 3rd or 4th round he will likely have to sit for 3-4 years before we hear or see a thing from him. Why come out early to not play when you can stay, play another year, graduate and come in at the same position with another season under your belt.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:11 pm

If I am Omar I wait to see what Vick, Quin and Young do and based off that I go in or don't go in.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:12 pm

1987alum wrote:hammb:

Here's the multi-million dollar question, though, do you think that he'll be able to put up numbers in 2006 that will actually elevate his draft status? If he has a year, statistically, similar ot 2005, could he potentially hurt his draft status?

Absolutely. If he put up similar numbers to 2005 he would do no help to his stock. I still think he'd be in the 3rd-4th range, but he could drop lower. However, if Omar is even considering that I will further question his ability to BE a good QB at the next level. To me, the best athletes are the ones with supreme confidence. If he's hearing that he's a 3rd rounder now he should say to himself that he wants to get better, elevate the BG team, and improve his stock to first round status. I'd question his mental makeup for the next level if he's worried that coming back could really hurt his stock. Not to say that he doesn't feel that way, but I'd be leery of any prospect who is leaving early because he's afraid he'll hurt his stock by staying.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:13 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:If I am Omar I wait to see what Vick, Quin and Young do and based off that I go in or don't go in.

Absolutely, me too.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:13 pm

I don't see Detroit taking a QB within the first three rounds. The franchise has taken 3 QB's in the first round since 1970, Chuck Long, Andre Ware and Jeff Harrington....Given the strength on defense, RB and potentially WR, they'll probably go for OL, and depth in the secondary and LB early.

Re Omar....I don't see Quinn or Young coming out this year. Quinn will really benefit from another year under Charlie Weis and Young needs a tad more polish.

Omar is gambling if he comes back. Anothe ryear well below what he did in 2004 will stamp the "system QB" tag on him and that's hrd to shake. Particulalry given his funky delivery and inexperience lining up under center, making his own reads and working with a more traditiona "pro style" offense.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:18 pm

hammb wrote:
1987alum wrote:hammb:

Here's the multi-million dollar question, though, do you think that he'll be able to put up numbers in 2006 that will actually elevate his draft status? If he has a year, statistically, similar ot 2005, could he potentially hurt his draft status?
Absolutely. If he put up similar numbers to 2005 he would do no help to his stock. I still think he'd be in the 3rd-4th range, but he could drop lower. However, if Omar is even considering that I will further question his ability to BE a good QB at the next level. To me, the best athletes are the ones with supreme confidence. If he's hearing that he's a 3rd rounder now he should say to himself that he wants to get better, elevate the BG team, and improve his stock to first round status. I'd question his mental makeup for the next level if he's worried that coming back could really hurt his stock. Not to say that he doesn't feel that way, but I'd be leery of any prospect who is leaving early because he's afraid he'll hurt his stock by staying.

Good insight, hammb. Thanks.

jacojdm · Post by **jacojdm** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:27 pm

Flipper wrote: Omar is gambling if he comes back. Anothe ryear well below what he did in 2004 will stamp the "system QB" tag on him and that's hard to shake. Particulalry given his funky delivery and inexperience lining up under center, making his own reads and working with a more traditiona "pro style" offense.

not to mention alex smith's limited success in his rookie year after being in the same sort of "system" in college.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:28 pm

If I am....

Vince Young I wait to see what Brady Quinn does....If he stays i come out, if he leaves I stay. If Quinn leaves I will likely be the number one pick next year.

Brady Quinn I stay. I will be the heisman favorite and the likely number one pick

Marcus Vick, I stay. I have not produced enough yet, I would likely be drafted high but based off potential alone.

Omar Jacobs, I wait to see what Young and Quinn and Vick do. If 2/3rds of them stay, I go. If 2/3rds of them go, I stay.

theziggies · Post by **theziggies** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:30 pm

Hammb, do you have a link to the Insider article?

98_BG_GRAD · Post by **98_BG_GRAD** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:32 pm

Redwingtom wrote: As far as Omar...I think he should declare regardless of where he is projected.

What if he is projected to go in the 6th round? That didn't work so well for J5. I think he will go much higher than that, but you never know what happens after workouts and the combine.

I can understand why he would leave even if he doesn't go until the 3rd round. He will be on a roster next year and make some money. I can also see why he would want to come back and have a great year next year and maybe be a high first round pick.

I agree that where he goes this year or next year will depend greatly on Quinn and Young. If Quinn and Young stay, as they say they will, Omar very well could be the second QB on the board and if a team needs a QB late in the first round (or even mid-first round), he could be taken then. If Omar stays, and Quinn and Young have another great year in '06, Omar is no better than the 3rd best QB and you never know what will happen. Plus, there is always the risk of injury next year or the risk of an off year and he could fall way down in the draft.

It will be a tough decision for him. I hope he stays because I think that makes the team better next year and that is what I care about the most. I know most people on this board think the team will win no more than 4 games no matter the QB, but I think the team could be much better than that and will contend for a MAC Title again. With Omar, I think this team has a chance to beat Wisky, Boise and give OSU all they can handle. I think it will be tough to compete in those games with a new starting QB.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:40 pm

98_BG_GRAD wrote:I know mostmost people on this board think the team will win no more than 4 games no matter the QB...

I hope you're being hyperbolic there. Expectations for next year are for another thread, but I'll say that if the majority of folks here are expecting no more than four wins, then the attitude here is much worse than I thought.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:12 pm

What round do you think Sheehan will go in?

98_BG_GRAD · Post by **98_BG_GRAD** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:19 pm

1987alum wrote:
98_BG_GRAD wrote:I know mostmost people on this board think the team will win no more than 4 games no matter the QB...
I hope you're being hyperbolic there. Expectations for next year are for another thread, but I'll say that if the majority of folks here are expecting no more than four wins, then the attitude here is much worse than I thought.

The number four was just a number, but I think the attitude among fans on this board regarding 2006 has been very negative, much to my dismay and I am sure some others. I think it was relevant to this thread because the QB situation is unclear and that will be a major factor in forecasting the 2006 Bowling Green football season.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:22 pm

98_BG_GRAD wrote:The number four was just a number, but I think the attitude among fans on this board regarding 2006 has been very negative, much to my dismay and I am sure some others. I think it was relevant to this thread because the QB situation is unclear and that will be a major factor in forecasting the 2006 Bowling Green football season.

98 - don't get me wrong. My statement about "another thread" was me actually telling myself not to get into a detail treatise about how I thought we'd do. You're post, I thought, was perfectly relevant. Omar staying or going will have a big impact on the team, either way.