Insider.com blurb about Omar...

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:22 pm

I gues I dont understand why you would be positive about 2006? It will be a down year. We are breaking in a new pair of Wideouts, Rb's, a left tackle and potentiallly a new QB. No offense can lose that and expect great things. No team can have the Defense and special teams we had last year, see a shell of the same offense returning, and expect good things. Teams have rebuilding years. If Omar leaves we will most definately be having one.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:29 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:No offense can lose that and expect great things. No team can have the Defense and special teams we had last year, see a shell of the same offense returning, and expect good things. Teams have rebuilding years. If Omar leaves we will most definately be having one.

Thanks for the ray of sunshine.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:30 pm

theziggies wrote:Hammb, do you have a link to the Insider article?

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=2&c=478357

Although it will require a premium scout.com membership to access it.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:31 pm

You asked why so much negativity. Well next year i think the team deserves some negativity. They can't all be great years. If they were the great years wouldn't seem so great.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:37 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:You asked why so much negativity. Well next year i think the team deserves some negativity. They can't all be great years. If they were the great years wouldn't seem so great.

I don't believe I asked why there was so much negativity.

1987alum wrote:I hope you're being hyperbolic there. Expectations for next year are for another thread, but I'll say that if the majority of folks here are expecting no more than four wins, then the attitude here is much worse than I thought.

I'm guessing that's the quote you're referencing. I know why there's a lot of negativity. But expecting NO MORE than four wins goes beyond the level of negativity I've seen. Although if you become the pied piper for the site, we could easiliy eclipse that level ... and then some.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:47 pm

Instead of "you" I should have typed, "someone". I dont wear the brown and orange goggles, and I do expect very bad things for the basketball team this yeanr and football next year.

98_BG_GRAD · Post by **98_BG_GRAD** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:58 pm

Since this thread has turned to the level of negativity for next year based on one of my previous posts, I guess I will add more. I agree that every program will have a "down year". But that does not mean everyone has to say this team will not be any good and won't win anything. Maybe the team will be rebuilding, but maybe the defense will improve and maybe Anthony Turner will be as good as people thought when he was coming out of high school. The 2005 team was 6-5. I understand that there is no reason to predict a MAC Championship, there are too many question marks. I just think that as fans, we should find the positives and focus on those and not the fact that the team is losing 2 WRs, 2 RBs and a couple of offensive lineman. USC lost a lot of good players a couple years back including the Heisman Trophy winner, and they have done just fine. Maybe Partridge and Parks will be better than Sharon and Sanders. Maybe the new Running Backs won't be hurt all year. Maybe there are better lineman waiting in the wings who just haven't had a chance. Maybe the defense with a full offseason with a new coach will improve. I know those are a lot of "maybes", but let's talk about who is playing next year, not who played last year. Most of us didn't think the 2004 team would be any good after losing J5 and having a new QB. That team did pretty well. I am not going to sit here and say this team will go 12-0, win the MAC and go to a BCS Bowl. But I don't think there is any reason to think they cannot win most of their MAC games. Miami should be down, Toledo should be down and Bowling Green is a program that should always beat every other MAC team on the schedule. Yes, OU will be better and we play them in Athens and I suuppose Akron will be good and we play them on the road. There is no reason in my mind that this team should be at worst 6-2 in the conference every single year, no matter who is lost. Let's look to the future. Yes, there are question marks, but let's address those in a way other than we lose player X, player Y and player Z. Let's talk about who the next wave of Falcons are. I like to be positive about any team I cheer for and Bowling Green is no different. I know this got a little long and maybe a little repetitive, but the negativity has kind of pissed me off.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:06 pm

With or without Omar my expectations for next season aren't a whole lot. Mainly because I'm not too optimistic against Boise, Wisconsin, or OSU. I do think we should still be good enough to compete for the MAC. If Omar returns I think the team should still expect to win 7 games and compete for the MAC. Without Omar I think 6 wins is a fair expectation, and competing for the MAC would be a bonus. The MAC East shouldn't be much better next year than it was this year, so we could certainly win it.

I do expect some of our youngsters to step up on defense and have a better defensive unit in '06 than we had in '05.

I'll also say that while I would like Omar to return for next year I think the best thing for the 2007 team is for Omar to go pro now. That would give us one developmental year with our RBs, QB, and WRs all learning together. It might make 2006 a little rougher than we'd like, but it would make 2007 the year when we can come out and expect to compete for the MAC Championship again.

BGSUfalcons · Post by **BGSUfalcons** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:15 pm

hammb wrote:With or without Omar my expectations for next season aren't a whole lot. Mainly because I'm not too optimistic against Boise, Wisconsin, or OSU. I do think we should still be good enough to compete for the MAC. If Omar returns I think the team should still expect to win 7 games and compete for the MAC. Without Omar I think 6 wins is a fair expectation, and competing for the MAC would be a bonus. The MAC East shouldn't be much better next year than it was this year, so we could certainly win it.

I do expect some of our youngsters to step up on defense and have a better defensive unit in '06 than we had in '05.

I'll also say that while I would like Omar to return for next year I think the best thing for the 2007 team is for Omar to go pro now. That would give us one developmental year with our RBs, QB, and WRs all learning together. It might make 2006 a little rougher than we'd like, but it would make 2007 the year when we can come out and expect to compete for the MAC Championship again.

Maybe I'm wearing orange and brown glasses, but I expect at least 7 wins next year with or without Omar because (1) the MAC east isn't going to be terribly strong, (2) even if AT is at QB, he will be much better than the AT that played v. WMU, Akron, and Kent and (3) the defense will be better (it has to be, right?).

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:19 pm

I expect next year to be about the same as this year -- 6-7 wins and in the hunt for a weak MAC East title. Obviously the outlook will be a little more rosy if Omar comes back. But I think Turner will be a great QB when he's given full control of the offense and the team.

If we only win 4 games next year, I'll be as disappointed as I was this year...which is to say extremely. I expected 9 wins and a MAC title at the very least this year, and I don't think that was an unfair expectation. IMO we underachieved greatly in 2005, and some of us enjoy discussing why that may have happened.

Just to give a small opinion -- I think that if you look at this program as an outsider right now (which is very tough to do), it is my honest opinion that there is about an even mix of things to be positive or negative about, therefore both camps have plenty of merit. While it is tiring to hear the same negative things over and over, life can't be all sunshine and puppies all the time. It is just as tiring to hear people being criticized for negativity, even when it is presented in a rational argument.

I agree some of the we suck just because I say so stuff is ridiculous, but there are a lot of questions heading into next year, and to talk about those questions is perfectly fine IMO. That's what this board is for -- to discuss BG sports whether the discussion is optimistic or not. Remember, opinions are just that, and we all have our own. I'm trying to force myself to be more respectful of differing opinions, and that's something I think a lot of us around here could stand to work on.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:22 pm

98_BG_GRAD wrote:Since this thread has turned to the level of negativity for next year based on one of my previous posts, I guess I will add more. I agree that every program will have a "down year". But that does not mean everyone has to say this team will not be any good and won't win anything. Maybe the team will be rebuilding, but maybe the defense will improve and maybe Anthony Turner will be as good as people thought when he was coming out of high school. The 2005 team was 6-5. I understand that there is no reason to predict a MAC Championship, there are too many question marks. I just think that as fans, we should find the positives and focus on those and not the fact that the team is losing 2 WRs, 2 RBs and a couple of offensive lineman. USC lost a lot of good players a couple years back including the Heisman Trophy winner, and they have done just fine. Maybe Partridge and Parks will be better than Sharon and Sanders. Maybe the new Running Backs won't be hurt all year. Maybe there are better lineman waiting in the wings who just haven't had a chance. Maybe the defense with a full offseason with a new coach will improve. I know those are a lot of "maybes", but let's talk about who is playing next year, not who played last year. Most of us didn't think the 2004 team would be any good after losing J5 and having a new QB. That team did pretty well. I am not going to sit here and say this team will go 12-0, win the MAC and go to a BCS Bowl. But I don't think there is any reason to think they cannot win most of their MAC games. Miami should be down, Toledo should be down and Bowling Green is a program that should always beat every other MAC team on the schedule. Yes, OU will be better and we play them in Athens and I suuppose Akron will be good and we play them on the road. There is no reason in my mind that this team should be at worst 6-2 in the conference every single year, no matter who is lost. Let's look to the future. Yes, there are question marks, but let's address those in a way other than we lose player X, player Y and player Z. Let's talk about who the next wave of Falcons are. I like to be positive about any team I cheer for and Bowling Green is no different. I know this got a little long and maybe a little repetitive, but the negativity has kind of pissed me off.

Replacing x and y is one thing. When you have to replace the entire alphabet it is quite a different thing. Negativity doesnt mean I dont have hope. Living in Columbus I hate the OSu fans who are not in touch with reality. I can't hate them and then not be in touch with reality when it comes to BG.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:25 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I agree some of the we suck just because I say so stuff is ridiculous, but there are a lot of questions heading into next year, and to talk about those questions is perfectly fine IMO. That's what this board is for -- to discuss BG sports whether the discussion is optimistic or not. Remember, opinions are just that, and we all have our own. I'm trying to force myself to be more respectful of differing opinions, and that's something I think a lot of us around here could stand to work on.

J4H:

Perfection.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:37 pm

Agreed with J4 and 1987....debate the issues, accept the fact that people will disagree.

Because I'll lock every damn thread if you don't.... 8)

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:03 pm

Hey, its been weeks since you locked a thread.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:43 am

Going forward with the theme of earlier it appears that the Saints are DEFINITELY going to be looking at the QB hard in this year's draft. They have benched Aaron Brooks for performance reasons, and they have indicated that he will not be back next year for salary cap reasons.

Sounds to me like they're a viable candidate for any of the top QBs in this draft, and that could easily effect Omar's stock. Just thought I'd throw that out there for those that don't keep up on the NFL.