Flipper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:18 pm
Why was he hired in the first place? He had little success as an OC...zero experience as a HC. His system is dated nd takes awhile to learn and the plays take awhile to develop, assuming you have the QB and OL to make it work.
A natural tendency when you fire a coach is to go hire the guy with the opposite tendencies as the former guy, hope to succeed specifically where the former failed. Jinks was in over his head both on and off the field. His only coaching experience was high school and three years at one place. He had no Ohio experience and probably couldn't name a single Ohio high school coach. He couldn't name potential coordinators in an interview. He hired a bunch of grad assistants.
So Loeffler. Well connected coach. Has coached at many nationally premiere programs nationwide. Grew up in Ohio and is well connected with Ohio high school coaches. Could name five or more potential hires for literally every coaching position. Hired guys with decades of coaching experience at all levels.
Similarly when Brandon was fired, it was clear the off the field stuff was out of control and the program health was poor. So the decision was to hire a disciplined program builder.
BTW if you look back at the coaches I was floating around here when Jinks was canned, I too was heavy on going the opposite of Jinks - I viewed his failures as program building and defense. I mentioned a program builder who is currently head coach at JMU and has an FCS national championship runner up to his name now. I mentioned a defensive coordinator who led the first ever G5 team to the playoff. And I whiffed by being a proponent of a DC who has since faded to obscurity.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
Flipper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:18 pm
Why was he hired in the first place? He had little success as an OC...zero experience as a HC. His system is dated nd takes awhile to learn and the plays take awhile to develop, assuming you have the QB and OL to make it work.
A natural tendency when you fire a coach is to go hire the guy with the opposite tendencies as the former guy, hope to succeed specifically where the former failed. Jinks was in over his head both on and off the field. His only coaching experience was high school and three years at one place. He had no Ohio experience and probably couldn't name a single Ohio high school coach. He couldn't name potential coordinators in an interview. He hired a bunch of grad assistants.
So Loeffler. Well connected coach. Has coached at many nationally premiere programs nationwide. Grew up in Ohio and is well connected with Ohio high school coaches. Could name five or more potential hires for literally every coaching position. Hired guys with decades of coaching experience at all levels.
Similarly when Brandon was fired, it was clear the off the field stuff was out of control and the program health was poor. So the decision was to hire a disciplined program builder.
BTW if you look back at the coaches I was floating around here when Jinks was canned, I too was heavy on going the opposite of Jinks - I viewed his failures as program building and defense. I mentioned a program builder who is currently head coach at JMU and has an FCS national championship runner up to his name now. I mentioned a defensive coordinator who led the first ever G5 team to the playoff. And I whiffed by being a proponent of a DC who has since faded to obscurity.
I get that you want a more levelheaded guy with experience after Jinks...but why hire a guy with no HC experience at any level and little real success as an OC? Clawson was a proven winner as a HC at smaller schools and he had a history of running really good offenses. Dino had a lot of experience as an assistant, but he also had a couple of years as a HC at Eastern Illinois. You look at Loeffler's resume and there's nothing that makes you think "This guy is going to be a winner here"
Hiring Jinks was a huge mistake..hiriing Loeffler is beginning to look like a mistake as well.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:38 pm
I get that you want a more levelheaded guy with experience after Jinks...but why hire a guy with no HC experience at any level and little real success as an OC?
Neither Gary Blackney nor Urban Meyer had head coaching experience before they arrived in Bowling Green.
I think we are better off when we hire a successful FCS head coach, but it is not uncommon to go in the other direction by hiring an experienced assistant, and it often works out.
Flipper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 25, 2022 2:18 pm
Why was he hired in the first place? He had little success as an OC...zero experience as a HC. His system is dated nd takes awhile to learn and the plays take awhile to develop, assuming you have the QB and OL to make it work.
A natural tendency when you fire a coach is to go hire the guy with the opposite tendencies as the former guy, hope to succeed specifically where the former failed. Jinks was in over his head both on and off the field. His only coaching experience was high school and three years at one place. He had no Ohio experience and probably couldn't name a single Ohio high school coach. He couldn't name potential coordinators in an interview. He hired a bunch of grad assistants.
So Loeffler. Well connected coach. Has coached at many nationally premiere programs nationwide. Grew up in Ohio and is well connected with Ohio high school coaches. Could name five or more potential hires for literally every coaching position. Hired guys with decades of coaching experience at all levels.
Similarly when Brandon was fired, it was clear the off the field stuff was out of control and the program health was poor. So the decision was to hire a disciplined program builder.
BTW if you look back at the coaches I was floating around here when Jinks was canned, I too was heavy on going the opposite of Jinks - I viewed his failures as program building and defense. I mentioned a program builder who is currently head coach at JMU and has an FCS national championship runner up to his name now. I mentioned a defensive coordinator who led the first ever G5 team to the playoff. And I whiffed by being a proponent of a DC who has since faded to obscurity.
I get that you want a more levelheaded guy with experience after Jinks...but why hire a guy with no HC experience at any level and little real success as an OC? Clawson was a proven winner as a HC at smaller schools and he had a history of running really good offenses. Dino had a lot of experience as an assistant, but he also had a couple of years as a HC at Eastern Illinois. You look at Loeffler's resume and there's nothing that makes you think "This guy is going to be a winner here"
Hiring Jinks was a huge mistake..hiriing Loeffler is beginning to look like a mistake as well.
We'll never know the answer. Program was in rough shape at the time, perhaps more established candidates were hesitant to get themselves into something they saw as possible career suicide? Maybe the money wasn't enough to lure the right person. Easy to speculate.
jpfalcon09 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:07 pm
We'll never know the answer. Program was in rough shape at the time, perhaps more established candidates were hesitant to get themselves into something they saw as possible career suicide? Maybe the money wasn't enough to lure the right person. Easy to speculate.
I'll be intentionally vague because I don't like spreading around rumors. I'll just say you are 100% on to something that happened during the coaching search, from what I've heard. F**king Mike Jinks and Chris Kingston.
Still, Loeffler was absolutely ready to be a head coach when he took the job. But the state of the program was so much worse than he knew when he took the job or frankly worse than anyone in the administration realized as none of them are football coaches.
MarkL has spoken.
You may all now return to your daily lives.
Flipper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:38 pm
I get that you want a more levelheaded guy with experience after Jinks...but why hire a guy with no HC experience at any level and little real success as an OC?
Neither Gary Blackney nor Urban Meyer had head coaching experience before they arrived in Bowling Green.
I think we are better off when we hire a successful FCS head coach, but it is not uncommon to go in the other direction by hiring an experienced assistant, and it often works out.
Spend five minutes talking to either of them and you would understand why you can't compare Loeffler to Meyer and Blackney...besides the fact that they came from a long ago era in football (like a lot of things you reference) when the scale of the program was vastly different.
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
jpfalcon09 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 2:07 pm
We'll never know the answer. Program was in rough shape at the time, perhaps more established candidates were hesitant to get themselves into something they saw as possible career suicide? Maybe the money wasn't enough to lure the right person. Easy to speculate.
I'll be intentionally vague because I don't like spreading around rumors. I'll just say you are 100% on to something that happened during the coaching search, from what I've heard. F**king Mike Jinks and Chris Kingston.
Still, Loeffler was absolutely ready to be a head coach when he took the job. But the state of the program was so much worse than he knew when he took the job or frankly worse than anyone in the administration realized as none of them are football coaches.
See nothing to suggest Loeffler was "ready" to take over...the "gosh things were so bad bit" has worn thin as we now enter our 4th season with him
It's not the fall that hurts...it's when you hit the ground.
Flipper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:25 pm
Spend five minutes talking to either of them and you would understand why you can't compare Loeffler to Meyer and Blackney...besides the fact that they came from a long ago era in football (like a lot of things you reference)
Says the guy who compared Loeffler to Moe Ankney a couple of days ago.
That was a clever analogy by the way. I suppose we will know soon enough whether it is on the mark.
